"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:46:25 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:39:50 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:22:28 -0500, BAR wrote:

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Salty, you've got to admit you keep dodging the question.
--
John H

Do you think that if salty hasn't got the details of the proposed mission,
then it cannot be done, even by people who DO know how to do it?

http://freedemocracy.blogspot.com/20...den-still.html


This is the kind of stuff you believe (from your source):

"...President Musharraf has helped create a quiet mountain retreat, a
veritable terrorism spa, for Osama and Ayman al-Zawahiri to refresh
themselves and get back in shape."

One can only wonder where that stupid cow gets her intelligence.

No one asked Salty for details, just an idea. Dowd has a great idea, drop
in a team of Rangers or SEALs. That sounds cool. Is that what you'd do? Is
that what Salty would do?
--
John H


OBL worked out of that exact region while he was involved with fighting the
Russians. So, you're right. Musharraf did NOT create the comfy retreat. It
already existed. This is a fact. The situation remains the same to this day.

As far as how to capture him, if he's still there, that's not my job. I
would be guessing and you would pick apart my ideas if I designated the
wrong kind of boots for the soldiers, even though you would also be
guessing.

But, our military knew how. Unfortunately, a mission was cancelled in 2005
due to concerns about annoying Musharraf. It was aimed at one of OBL's big
shots, but also have nabbed him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/wa...=1&oref=slogin

July 8, 2007
U.S. Aborted Raid on Qaeda Chiefs in Pakistan in '05
By MARK MAZZETTI
WASHINGTON, July 7 - A secret military operation in early 2005 to capture
senior members of Al Qaeda in Pakistan's tribal areas was aborted at the
last minute after top Bush administration officials decided it was too risky
and could jeopardize relations with Pakistan, according to intelligence and
military officials.

The target was a meeting of Qaeda leaders that intelligence officials
thought included Ayman al-Zawahri, Osama bin Laden's top deputy and the man
believed to run the terrorist group's operations.

But the mission was called off after Donald H. Rumsfeld, then the defense
secretary, rejected an 11th-hour appeal by Porter J. Goss, then the director
of the Central Intelligence Agency, officials said. Members of a Navy Seals
unit in parachute gear had already boarded C-130 cargo planes in Afghanistan
when the mission was canceled, said a former senior intelligence official
involved in the planning.

Mr. Rumsfeld decided that the operation, which had ballooned from a small
number of military personnel and C.I.A. operatives to several hundred, was
cumbersome and put too many American lives at risk, the current and former
officials said. He was also concerned that it could cause a rift with
Pakistan, an often reluctant ally that has barred the American military from
operating in its tribal areas, the officials said.

The decision to halt the planned "snatch and grab" operation frustrated some
top intelligence officials and members of the military's secret Special
Operations units, who say the United States missed a significant opportunity
to try to capture senior members of Al Qaeda.

Their frustration has only grown over the past two years, they said, as Al
Qaeda has improved its abilities to plan global attacks and build new
training compounds in Pakistan's tribal areas, which have become virtual
havens for the terrorist network.

In recent months, the White House has become increasingly irritated with
Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, for his inaction on the growing
threat of the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

About a dozen current and former military and intelligence officials were
interviewed for this article, all of whom requested anonymity because the
planned 2005 mission remained classified.

Spokesmen for the Pentagon, the C.I.A. and the White House declined to
comment. It is unclear whether President Bush was informed about the planned
operation.

The officials acknowledge that they are not certain that Mr. Zawahri
attended the 2005 meeting in North Waziristan, a mountainous province just
miles from the Afghan border. But they said that the United States had
communications intercepts that tipped them off to the meeting, and that
intelligence officials had unusually high confidence that Mr. Zawahri was
there.