On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:51:38 -0400, DSK wrote:
Dave Hall wrote:
That you refuse to acknowledge "your sides" propaganda is even more
enlightening. You seem to think that you are getting the straight up
honest truth, while I am digesting a heavily spun bunch of propaganda.
Can you not see the arrogance and ignorance in that?
Hey Dave, here is one of the things that proves just how flaming stupid
you are... I am not a liberal and I do not listen to any more liberal
propaganda than you do. Yet, because I disagree with you, and so often
prove you wrong, you think I *must* be a libby-rull.
Doug, I know you have claimed to be a conservative before, but your
contributions since have said the opposite. You constantly take the
opposite side on practically every issue. That you'd vote for a
liberal over the president is even more telling. You're hardly a
conservative.
BTW did you ever look up *any* of Bush's environmental policies? Care to
discuss them?
In which context?
In *any* context. This is an open invitation to look up ONE of
Bush/Cheney's policies, consider it's real impact, and comment on it.
Your pick.
I generally favor the preservation of the economy over environmental
concerns, when it can be shown that additional conservation measures
have reached the point of diminishing returns.
I don't agree that the burden of paying for toxic cleanup should be
borne by the people. It should be paid by the offending company. Bush
gets a strike for that one.
How about his educational policies?
Which ones?
Again... unless you are totally bereft of any intelligance and ability,
it should be really easy to pick one for yourself. You are such a big
fan of President Bush, you should already have a few favorite policies
in mind...
I am totally in favor of the no child left behind initiative,
especially teacher accountability. I would also revoke tenure, to give
teachers "incentive" to continue to push without the temptation to
slack off, if they feel that their job is "locked".
I favor selective educational choices, especially the voucher idea. By
giving the people the choice of where their tax money goes, it forces
school to become competitive, and ultimately the kids will benefit.
His policies with regard to the U.N. (now there's a set of flip-flops you can take to the
beach)?
The U.N is about as politically tainted as they come.
Oh? In that case, how come Bush/Cheney are now alternatively begging &
demanding that they take a bigger role in Iraq?
No one is "begging" the U.N to do anything. If anything Bush is
capitulating under public pressure that we stop assuming the total
burden for this operation.
.... France, Germany, and Russia had a financial interest in
Saddam's Iraq,
So did Carlyle & Halliburton. Do you think I'm kidding?
So what's this the old moral equivalency arguments? How does the
involvement of one or two private corporations negate and invalidate
the indiscretions of sovereign nations to the point that sound
judgement may have been impaired due to risk of exposure, and the
cessation of their windfalls?
http://images.google.com/images?q=Ru...Saddam+Hussein
I guess *all* these photos are faked... the product of lbby-rull
propaganda... Gosh darn it, you can't even trust your own eyes!
What's your point? That we once had diplomatic relations with Saddam?
What, are we not allowed to change our minds once the threat against
us is revealed?
And you insist that you're not being hoodwinked...
I maintain that YOU are also being hoodwinked. We may both be to some
degree.
You definitely are... at least you admit it now.
I never thought otherwise. You can't trust news sources 100% either
way. But I believe in the objectives of this country, and I believe
that steps need to be taken to rid the world of a very REAL terrorist
threat. I am highly skeptical of people and "news" sources who
continually throw mud at the mission for obvious agenda driven
motives.
Stumbling over too many
facts, are we? The reason why you think I am is that I am not wearing
the same blinders you are.
No just blinders which are 180 degrees out of phase.
When mistakes are made, I will admit to them.
You can't even admit responsibility for your boat's wake.
Because I don't believe in absolutes, and I believe that everyone
shares the responsibility to protect themselves from potentially
dangerous situations. I do not believe that everyone has the ultimate
responsibility to "protect" everyone else, beyond reasonable means.
Otherwise, no activity could be undertaken without a considerable
liability risk.
In life, sometimes **** happens. Sometimes you might spill hot coffee
in your lap, slip on a sidewalk, run over your foot with the lawn
mower, or get hit by a boat wake on a crowded waterway. Conservatives
understand this and take their lumps. Liberals are always looking to
deflect the ultimate responsibility to someone else, and then look to
turn a tragedy into a windfall.
... Bush has made a few
mistakes (Supporting that prescription plan was one) as well.
Please tell him that. He honestly doesn't think so.
Like I said, I'm not 100% behind every one of Bush's policies. But I
agree with his plan to fight terrorism, and he seems genuine in his
resolve and compassion for the welfare of this country. Despite his
faults, I'd rather vote for someone who shares at least the majority
of my personal values, than someone who shares a very few.
Dave