"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:26:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:03:28 -0500, HK wrote:


Besides, Obama merely attends the church; he isn't its pastor or its
former pastor, nor is he out praising Jesus or thanking heaven on a
public, daily basis for his political successes.

"Moreover, it's wrong to ask believers to leave their religion at the
door before entering the public square. Abraham Lincoln, William
Jennings Bryan, Martin Luther King Jr. - indeed, the majority of great
reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, they
also used religious language to argue for their cause. To say men and
women should not inject their "personal morality" into policy debates
is a practical absurdity; our law is by definition a codification of
morality."

Barak Obama, USA Today, 7/10/2006

Let's debate this: Without the ten commandments, absolutely nobody would
know that murder is wrong.

Nobody. No exceptions. Period.

I'm sorry Doug - I'm tired of you and your bull****.

Go play fake intellectual games with somebody else.

I'm out.


This is far from being bull****. This is at the heart of your "we have a
Christian heritage" thing. That usually leads to a discussion of how many of
our laws are based on religious principals, so I shot down that idea for
you. Here's the heart of the issue: I think normally adjusted humans
NATURALLY know certain things are wrong, and don't need commandments or laws
to help them. So much for religious heritage. I think we'd have most of our
laws even if religion never existed.