On Dec 20, 12:01�pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:13:27 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





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On Dec 20, 8:25�am, "Jim" wrote:
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On Dec 20, 12:58?am, WaIIy wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:04:23 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

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On Dec 19, 4:08?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
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http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/908

There is evidence as well as scientific opinion on both sides of the
human-influence factor. Neither your side or the other should trot out
a single study and say "see, that settles it." (Not that you are).

It's amazing the number of people who not only deny that many could
ever have any influence on his global environment, but also insist
that the climate is *not* changing at all...........

You just contradicted your first paragraph and impugn your opinion as
fact by inference.

Nonsense. You must be celebrating at full steam already. :-)

The first paragragh is a statement that there is evidence as well as
scientific opinion of both sides of the human-influence factor.

The last paragraph you referenced is an expression of surprise that so
many people deny that the climate is changing at all.

Three concepts:

1. Some say man is causing climate change
2. Some say man is not causing climate change
3. Some say there is no climate change occuring

None of those are mutually exclusive.

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The three concepts can exist simultaneously, and therefore are not
mutually exclusive. Nice site, though.

No comprende. Parse it out for me please.

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1. Some people say "man is causing global warming". Whether we
individually agree the statement itself, there is little room for
debate that some people do, indeed, say that man is causing global
warming.

2. Some people say "Man is not causing global warming." Whether we
individually agree with the statement itself, there is little room for
debate that some people do, indeed, say that man is not causing global
warming.

3. Some people say "There is no such thing as global warming." Whether
we individually agree with the statement itself, there is little room
for debate that some people do, indeed, say that there is no such
thing as global warming.

None of my observations (that people subscribe to each of those three
statements) are mutually exclusive. The statements themselves are
obviously mutually exclusive, but different individuals within a group
can simultaneously believe any of the three statements.

I see that a person could be in groups 2 and 3. I don't see how a person
could be in 1 and 2, or 1 and 3.

If I believed there is no such thing as global warming, then I would not
believe that man is causing global warming.
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Back up a step.

I'm not saying that the statements are wrong or right, only that
people believe each of the three ideas. That may be where Wally got
off the track as well, with his original critcism.

1. Some people believe the earth is round.
2. Some people believe the earth is flat.

The earth cannot be both round and flat, but different people can
simultaneously hold conflicting opinions regarding the shape of the
earth.

The statements:

1. The earth is round.
2. The earth is flat

*would be* contradictory, but preface each with "some people
believe......"
and both can be true at the same time.