On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:22:58 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:58:41 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:




Almost everyone who denies science is on the right. Check it out. Count
'em up. It's not just this issue.


Tom's representative list of scientists are "denying" science?

It will be interesting so see what happens over the next 5-10 years. From
what I've read on the subject even the most ardent advocates of mankind
being responsible for a global warming trend agree that it can't be reversed
in that short of a time frame.

My hunch is that in about 5 years new data will cause the whole debate to go
away, only to be replaced by a growing concern of a coming mini Ice Age
cycle.

Remember all the dire predictions of Y2K?

Eisboch


I do not doubt that the climate is changing. I would even believe man
is responsible for some of the changes. The real question is if
changing the trend is as simple as cutting our discretionary CO2
emissions. If you look at the Scientiofic American article from last
year about the effect of agriculture on climate they peg the
beginnings of the warming trend 8,000 years ago when man first started
clearing land and planting crops. It is very clear that farming
increases CO2 above leaving native vegetation, if for no other reason,
we "clear cut" the field once or twice a year.
When you plot "global warming" it tracks world population as closely
as any other number.
With that in mind it is disturbiung that we are exempting Asia and
Africa from all these agreements. Those are the areas of the world
that are going to triple their populations in the next 40 years while
the west is projected to have a fairly flat population.
I suppose if we make the penalties against the western economies
strong enough (and crash them) the resulting nuclear war will reverse
the warming trend and cut way back on that pesky population growth.

The disturbing thing about this whole thing is some people have
invented a tax, brokered by venture capital firms to trade "carbon
credits". That instantly takes a non existant commidity and makes it
money. Some people are going to get very rich on a scheme that may be
totally meaningless and the cult religion of environmentalism is
driving that market.

Some have already started making money. Algore made a bunch from his scifi
thriller. The selling of so called 'carbon credits' is big business getting
bigger. A study on carbon funds provides some interesting reading.


http://www.icfi.com/newsroom/news.asp?ID=60

A couple quotes:

"“The newest funds entering the market are designed to generate cash
returns for investors rather than carbon credits for compliance purposes."

"In our view, so far only a few vehicles disclose adequate information on
their operational and financial performance."
--
John H