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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:47:49 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:42:06 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:41:41 -0500, HK
wrote:

It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.
Harry - give it up - please, you are making an ass of yourself.

Do you know where Harry went to college? Hell, it probably takes the
Navy
about 16 weeks to train one.

I suspect neither of you know what a steamfitter does. He doesn't
replace sewage traps.

I know what a steam/pipe fitter does.

It's a five year apprentice ship program - just like a freakin'
plumber.

The only difference is steam/high pressure welding.

Add another (minimum) 6 months for that skill and certification Tom. Add
other time for high pressure vessel training and you cannot compare a
plumber to a steam pipe fitter.

The training requirements and potential exposures are worlds apart.

Not to start an argument with you but you are way off base on this one.

Bull.

Eisboch

Whatever. I at least made a case.

Knowing a lot of welders and a few pipefitters over my lifetime, most of
the welders are not college material. Good pay as a pipefitter. Big
shortage these days. The local Chevron Refinery has $500mm in upgrades
required. They are short welders. Good job for a lot of people. One of
the major errors in education these days, is the concept that all should go
to college. Maybe 20% of the people, but the education establishment 20-30
years ago, decided that college prep and not any industrial courses were the
norm. At least in California. I do art welding as a hobby and the local
Junior College has a great welding program. they are in the running for the
National Science Foundation grants to increase the female representation in
welding and automotive areas. A big percentage of the people in the welding
certification program are never going to be qualified to be engineers. They
will be great welders, but not the degreed designers.