On Oct 28, 2:15 pm, Bob wrote:
Ah,, come on guys. I dont get to be an ass hole any place else. To be
honest I have had a gut full of collegial congeniality. To be honest
Skip reminds me too much of who Ive had to work with for the past 16
years. Well meaning, likable guys who go to church, smile and nod
their heads then completely ignore some petty good advice from some
pretty smart guys that post here (me excluded). I find it refreshing
to say it the way it is. I wish for once he would just tell me to go
get ****ed.
:{)) Heh. LOL ROFL Guffaw!
Come on, Bob. You know me better than that by now. Unless it would
give you great pleasure, in which case I don't mind, tongue in cheek,
because I've never told anyone that and meant it (in the spirit
intended, anyway - sometimes as a curative, but not as a
pejorative)...
And, you also know that I don't ignore good advice. I may not comment
on it, but if I see it I never ignore it...
I enjoyed someone's description of this place a few weeks ago. I can t
remember the analogy but something close to, is like a bar that
doesn't close and will let anybody make a fool of themselves without
getting kicked out. I thought that was a right-on description.
Heh. So, what have you got against me doing that?? :{))
Skip asked, what kind of shakels do I use attaching road to chain,
chain to anchor.
Two words:
1) Trawlex Grade 100 chain to anchor. Theyre cheep, small, and strong
ie G100 compared to G40, an not galvanized. So I just swap it out once
a year when I inspect my ground tackle. If a 400' factory trawler uses
them to drag a 100 MT bag of Pollock out of the Bering Sea I think its
good enough for my needs.
Seriously, though - what do you use for chain (I presume what you've
described is a shackle specific to a chain usage)? And, if you use
very high tensile shackles, and swap them out, is the chain similar,
or is it more standard fare? If you have a large anchor and all
chain, do you use a windlass?
In my case, the extra strength was from SS - which I also have to look
at each time I'm up there. So far, no difficulties with either the
galvanized swivel or SS shackle - but there's always a first time...
2) Nylite thimble (Samson) road to chain connection. If you don't know
about these pretty PLEASE go to this link and take a look. The USCG
use them on OR/WA/AK life boats.http://www.samsonrope.com/site_files/cm2004.pdf
and no.... it wont go through your gypsy. But then I get a bullet
proof 95-100% connection.
Ya, they're good stuff. When I have all chain, it's not relevant.
However, your use suggests (and later below, perhaps some migration of
rode) that you have mostly rope rode - is that the case? Different
strokes for different folks, and also bottoms, so I'm not criticizing
- just curious. Of course, until you get to the end of it, other than
extremely deep anchoring, mostly rope rode is pretty easy to
manhandle, or if the boat's small enough in any case. Certainly, when
I was on anything smaller than 40', I didn't use a windlass, and it
was mostly rope, with a small length of chain, usually on a Danforth
or equivalent. And, as discussed long ago in this thread, perhaps that
would have prevented my most recent excitement - that is, if you
discount the 25* heel aground at the muni wall in Cambridge this
morning (high tide resolved that with no issue whatever) - despite my
having had what would normally have been far superior stuff (all chain
on a very large anchor). Back to thimbles...
My windlass wouldn't pass such a thimble, even if I had another
shackle between it and the chain, as its pipe is too small. However,
for the one where I do have a hawse pipe (the oval thing with a
cover), and part rope and part chain, it could work just fine, as I
have to manually lead that one, anyway. If I find myself using that
much rode (where I get into the rope portion) frequently on my
secondary, I might make that change.
And no I don't use three strand nylon for road. I use nylon double
braid. Although I might go to some of the 12 plait products soon. Very
easy/fast to splice and still get 10 percent stretch at 30% load. Oh,
and tough as nails. Oh, and CHEAPER!
There are lots of ways to do stuff. Just got to stay out of West
Marine and Cruising World.
Ehh. A Port Supply card goes a long way. But I bought my last chain
(300' 5/16HTG40) and anchor (75#CQR) someplace else for significantly
less than even Port.
OTOH, all the prior suggestions, in prior threads in years past, about
various industrial supply and chain houses, were fruitless. Couldn't
do a thing with the equivalent sizes, and gave up after trying very
hard.
So to all a sincere apology. Just don't look for a change any time
soon in my phatic conversation style.
Bombastic Bob
:{)) Phatic?
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