* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/22/2007 10:33 AM:
Defense? What am I defending against?


No one really knows. But everytime I point out what Cruising World
said about cats and what most owners say, you feel the need to defend
your choice.

I didn't know CW had an editorial postion on cats. Normally they just
have articles, like the one in this month's issue describing how much
fun it was.

If I was done with sailing various boats and actually
enjoying sailing maybe I'd buy a Cat or Trawler as well.

Tell us when you stop just sailing and start enjoying. And you're
right, when you're ready to start enjoying, you might try a cat.

I use my boat.

If you say so!

A lot more than you use yours!


You go out
for an hour or so, bounce off a log or rock

Yup, we were bouncing on that Santana all day. When we rafted up in
Little Neck bay we sure had an awful time!

Little Neck is so close to your slip that you didn't have to unplug
shore power!!!


and then spend the next
week on the hard!

Since I've been on the hard I've gone sailing on 5 different boats
(not counting the Rhodes). How many boats did you sail this month...or
this week??!!!!


Sorry booby, while you were doing a few daysails I sailed most of
Massachusetts, from Cape Ann to Cutyhunk. I have nothing against the
Rhodes, I sail them frequently and have probably logged more hours in
them then you've sailed in you entire life. But you're sounding like
a parking lot attendant bragging about how many cars he's driven!


Sorry booby, a boat doesn't have to heel to be fun.


I bet you looked up foil dynamics by now, since you never mentioned it
again.

Why would I google it? I was studying NACA foils and how they're used
in sailboats while you were still in diapers!

It IS a real term.

Of course. You overheard it at a boat show and now you're showing
your ignorance by using it inappropriately. Here's a hint: tipping is
not necessary to go fast. It is not even desirable. Much of naval
architecture is concerned with minimizing tipping.

Try googling it. You've never owned a true
performance monohul

And yet, my boat is faster than yours on all points of sail! And, I
sail it 5 times more than you sail yours!

and I doubt you sailed many.

You forget all those years in collegiate racing, then club racing and
sailing in 470's, 505's, Solings, Etchells, Tempests, IODs, Larks,
Finns, Lightnings, Snipes ...

I've even had rides in several 12-meters, one of them before its
successful defense.

And remember, I actually raced these boats, sometimes bringing home
some silver. You just hop on board for a ride, then you run home and
brag about it as thought its a great triumph!

If you think 12 knots downwind is fun on your cat,

If you knew anything about boats you would know that my boat, and most
others, do not achieve particularly high speeds going downwind. My
top speeds are on a beam reach. The polars show 11 knots in 18 true
at 90 degrees, though frankly that's a bit optimistic for plain sail.

you should try 10 knots on my 35s5 or

So should you! You've posted tons of pics and videos, but none of
them show you doing over 6 knots, and most don't even show both sails!

Bragging about what other people have done in boats similar to yours
is the true mark of a loser!

even the thrill of yesterday's Santana run at near 8. But if you
really want to just go 12 knots and "get there" I suggest going Doug's
route!

If I wanted that, I could trade mine for the power version to does 20
knots! Maybe someday.



I think doing 12
knots is a lot of fun.


Dull dull dull. Like doing 12 knots on a trawler. She was DESIGNED to
do it and do it with little fuss.

So now your complaint is that me boat was designed to go fast! You
really are a jackass, aren't you?

It's no more fun than doing 4 nots
in a Cape Dory Typhoon. Pushing the limits of a J24 is way more fun
and clearly what most true sailors prefer.

Again, you should try it sometime. Taking a boat our for an hour is
not "pushing the limits." Sailing with no specific goal, just looking
for a puff to get a little rush, is not "pushing the limits." Pushing
the limits is when you're in a race and performing at less than 95% is
essentially a DNF.


I think spending the
whole summer, or even a whole year on board is fun.


We sure don't. I also have a love for the woods, film and astronomy
and even driving. Can't say I'd want to be cooped up on a floating
radiator all summer.

Ah! So now the problem is that you simply don't like to spend
extended time on boats! That much is pretty obvious!

And your boat would not feel like a radiator if it actually had
ventilation. If it had some real hatches it would be horrific!


If you think spending your whole sailing life within sight of your
slip is fun, that's your prerogative.


My whole life, Jeff? You keep talking as though you're my equal, Jeff.

Good God, I should hope not! But don't worry, you can get help.
There is therapy available that will help you function in the real world.

You're not. You're old and you're body is tired. I'm 44, twice as
strong as any two people posting here.

And yet, you've told us that you can't go out for more than a few days
because of a chronic illness. You're the one who seems debilitated.

My years ahead are probably not
fewer than those behind. I have a lifetime of sailing to come and I'll
want to drop dead indeed if I end up doing as little as you.

Sorry to hear that. Since I started as a young child, I already have
more sailing in than you'll see in your lifetime!

Have you
done an Atlantic crossing? Sailed the Greek islands? We have a lot of
plans

Yes, we keep hearing about your plans. You always have plans, but
your achievements add up to less sailing than most of us do in a month!

and maybe we'll get to most of them. I guess you'll just sit
around and hope we don't that's sad.

Just sit around??? We just got back from three weeks cruising, and
Thursday we're leaving for four weeks in Maine. And you're just
jacking off in LIS!




The rest of the sailing world races and cruises.


Really? I thought most people just enjoy their boats? What kind of
person is worried so much about how far someone sails with their 35
footer, Jeff?

I really don't care how you use your boat. You're the one who keeps
claiming that only you can have fun because your boat tips more and
any other!

Our longest sail to Port Jeff this summer was the least
fun we had due to some light air.

What, you don't enjoy pushing the limits of your boat in light air?
Surely this means you don't like sailing!

Actually, one of the best sails I've had in the last few years was a
light air sail of about 25 miles where it turned into a race with
several larger boats.

Maybe the ride to Mystic will be
more fun since we're taking 4 boats,

most people can fit in one.

but a lot of people love to just
SAIL, Jeff. Part of that is owning a boat that's actually fun to sail.
If you "need" to get somewhere or round a bouy 1st I think you missed
the whole joy of sailing...and now it's too late for you.

If you even rounded a mark last it would mean that you're trying. If
you don't race, you can't talk about "pushing a boat to its limits."


Bragging about how fast your boat is when you don't
race is the mark of a loser!

That's hilarious. Who knew you need to race to appreciate the
performance of a boat. Now I'm 100% sure you really don't like to
sail, Jeff. You're a powerboater at best who's caved into the pressure
of a sailing community which is snobbish about powerboats.

You just keep digging the hole deeper. You keep posting pics of
sailing boats at 60% of their potential and bragging about how fast
you're going! If you raced you might learn how to get up to 95%, and
you'd certainly learn the meaning of terms like "pinching" and "foil
dynamics" and how to use them without embarrassing yourself.


Bragging about how comfortable your
boat is when you don't cruise is the mark of a loser!

Oh no! Now this poor toadie says I need to be comfortable for LONG
trips. How dare we be comfortable for only a weekend! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!


You're the one who claims that without A/C it would be horrific!


Poor booby. His jealously weeps from every post he makes.


I'm off to the Rhodes 19, Jeff. It's not comfortable and not too fast,
but it sure is fun!
You'll have all day...a beautiful sailing day....to respond while we
sail.


Ah! A Rhodes! One of my favorites. I like to take my daughter out
in them so she learns about tillers! I've been sailing them since
1963 - my first cruise of Maine was in a Mariner (the cuddy version)
out of Booth Bay in 1964.