John H wrote:
Doug, I didn't make up the definition. Go he

I did not say that you did.

If they are not former liberals, then they are not neoconservatives, by
definition.

If they describe themselves as neoconservatives, or prominent self-named
neoconservatives say that they are, then are they lying or are they just
plain stupid?

Here's an interesting little tidbit
http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=2806

Also note that the pundits at 'New Century' describe themselves as
neoconservatives, and they have the biggest influence on Bush & Cheney
(outside of Halliburton or Saudi Arabia).

DSK