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So? What's the point? And what has this to do with
poison
ivy?-
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Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming
is
causing
changes
in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a
second
opinon
before
stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to
fight,
go
ahead.
Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know
what I
know.

You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees
that
the
planet's
getting warmer. The debate is about whether human
activity
in
one
of
the
causes.

Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the
same
rate
Earth
is
getting warmer?

Do your own home work.

No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how
it
relates
to
the
article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide.

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So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter
asked
if
the
expert (guy with car painted like ivy,
website,marketing... )
if
global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that,
er,
um,
ahhh,
milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as
well
as a
(assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more
potent
oil
too!
So
here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the
new
"super
ivy"
in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what
is
warming,
one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy
on
the
shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about
10
degrees
warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm...

Three questions, the answer to which may improve this
discussion:

1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in
the
ground
two
years ago, and that's about it.

Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :)

2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a
gardener?

Pansy.

3) How old are you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

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Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre
landscaped
for
over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the
woods
in a
very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and
vegetables
most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of
the
Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout
who
specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking,
survival,
mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree
to
know
about poison ivy?

Then, it seems odd that you are having difficulty understanding
how
one
person's observations of a plant, in one location, can be so
different
from
yours. You can move an ornamental plant 5 feet closer to a wall
which
reflects light and heat, and the plant will behave in a totally
different
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Sure I have, but what does that have to do with a mythical
strain of
super PI caused by GW?

I thought you said you were a gardener. How do you know it's a
"strain",
rather than a plant responding to different growing conditions?
Hint:
Most
poison ivy reproduces vegetatively. You know what that means,
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Ah, I am a gardener, more of an outdoorsman, but alas, not a
schooled
botanist so I guess my opinion is probably moot when it comes to PI
or
GW for that matter. Although, I am still interested in hearing your
qualifications in these areas, I am always willing to learn and
even
change my mind.

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Well, you could start by answering the series of qualifying questions
you asked me.

Then you could explain to me what level of education, experience, or
general knowledge a person must have to have what you would consider a
legitimate opinion on these subjects, or do they simply have to agree
with you to qualify?

- High school biology, enough to understand the difference between two
different "strains", and two genetically identical plants behaving
differently for reasons related to growing conditions. Did you finish
high
school?

- Enough curiosity about plants to read a few books per year, and I
don't
mean the Sunset books at Home Depot, like "Shrubs for Morons".

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OK Joe, I get it. You bring nothing more than a mildly educated
opinion just like me, so the fun is over, good night Joe, hope you
catch that frekin' windmill soon


35 years of reading about a subject is "mildly educated"?

What is a "strain"? And, did you read the article about which this entire
discussion revolves?



Go to bed already. And that is the last time I will tell you that.