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OzOne wrote...
Biggest problem with foam cores is that they will break down and
granulate.
Seen this on many Syd-Hobart racers after the really big races
pounding to windward.


"Maxprop" wrote:
Most unusual circumstances, Oz. 99.9% of the rest of the boats in the
world
won't ever see that level of abuse.

Sailing to windward in higher winds is "abuse"? Funny, I had the idea
that's what boats were supposed to be built for.

Are you serious? Where have you been, Doug? Higher winds are only part of
the issue. How about monstrous waves, a team of youngsters (plus an
occasional oldtimer) pushing the rig and hull to its breaking point,
pounding and dropping off shear wavefronts, did I mention monstrous waves?


And those Hobart boats are generally
throw-away boats after a single race.

Utter nonsense. They are no more "throw-away boats" than your 1D35...
less so, if anything (correct me if I'm wrong, but have 1D35s sailed
any mjor offshore races?)

Again you've pretended to a throne without the proper credentials. Those
who build boats for such races seldom race them again. They sell them to
those who don't have the means to employ the latest technology and design:
throwaway. Ellison's boat in Holland, MI, is a prime example. And your
comment about the 1D35 doesn't deserve a response.

Ellison's "Sayonara" is in a building
in Holland, MI, looking brand new, with the material for a new keel lying
under her, and she hasn't been touched in over a decade. Larry must have
lost interest in her, and it's "easier" to pay the rent to keep her
stored
than to worry about what to do with her.


It's more a matter that nobody else will buy her for more than scrap
value. It will take a tremendous wad of cash to put her back in
sailing order again. And if she's "looking brand new" then she must
not have been a "throw-away boat" eh?

She was completely rebuilt by Ellison, for what reason is anyone's guess.
She was near trash after she won the Hobart in a year when others died and
boats sank. Your presumption that nobody will buy her is speculation of the
most absurd kind. Larry Ellison doesn't have to sell anything, nor does he
worry about the cost of rebuilding such a boat. My best guess is that he
considers her too far out of the mainstream of current race boat design to
mess with. Thus she sits.


Save the self-contradiction for political stuff, Max!

Once again you've jumped in with both feet in your mouth, pretending to be
an expert in everything and smarter to boot. Your arrogance is appalling,
Doug, but not quite as appalling as your complete lack of civility. Oh, and
you are wrong on all points.

Max