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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:00:40 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Bush didn't take away any civil rights. He *gave* civil rights.
NOYB
would
not have said Bush took away our civil rights. Now, he may have
taken
away
the civil rights of some terrorists, but that's a different story.

The Patriot Act meddles with civil rights established for all
citizens
in
the constitution. To disagree with this means you are either
mentally
impaired, or a traitor to this country. Choose one.


And which of your civil rights did you lose?

You and others love to ask that question. It's the same as this: "If
you're
not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about". That is an
affront to the principles on which this country was founded. If you
don't
understand that, then 100% of what you've said about serving your
country
in
the military is a farce. You have no idea what you were serving for.
Thomas
Jefferson would rip you a new asshole for your failure to understand.
Then,
he'd send you to Benjamin Franklin for another dressing-down.


I asked which rights you'd lost, not which you were willing to give
up.
You
implied the Patriot Act cost you civil rights. Well, back up your
statement, or else you just sound like Harry, another whiner.


Among other things, the Patriot Act (which you have not read from end to
end) includes meddling with habeas corpus. If one citizen loses that
right,
every citizen loses that right.

Does this look familiar?

"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend
the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic;
that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;"


You, being such an expert on the Patriot Act, should have no trouble
whatsoever showing us the sentence which 'meddles with' you right of
habeas
corpus.

Do so, or hush whining.


You took that oath, at least according to your stories. How did it feel,
promising to defend something you were ignorant about? What did you think
you were defending? "The country"? That's just a piece of land, like any
other. What about the principles which you so easily dismiss as trash?


Do so, or hush whining. It's so simple, and would prove your point.

You're back to your insults again. Which principles have I dismissed as
trash?

AT this point, I'd say you've dismissed the entire constitution. My
reasoning is this: You have stepped over the line by saying "Which of your
rights has been taken away?", which is an unacceptable question.


From earlier post:

NOYB: Which civil rights did you lose?

Joe (AKA Doug): I haven't lost any, yet.

You've appropriately answered the 'unacceptable' question.