"Joe" wrote
: From John McCain
: "And now, we confront a choice as historically important as any we
: have faced in a long while: Will this nation's elected leaders make
: the politically hard but strategically vital decision to give General
: Petraeus our full support and do what is necessary to succeed in
: Iraq?
:
: Or will we decide to take advantage of the public's frustration,
: accept defeat, and hope that whatever the cost to our security, the
: politics of defeat will work out better for us than our opponents?

No disrespect to you Joe, but NOBODY is talking about *defeating* the folks
who gave us 9/11 - the superstitious nut crowd that has 99% Islamic support
and is hell bent on imposing their superstitions and laws on everybody else!

On one hand we have 'liberals' calling for withdrawal - which will of course
hand the wealth of Iraq over to these enemies and give them an immediate
victory.

OTOH we have the McCain/Bush plan to "stay the course" which looks more and
more like McNamara's failed Vietnam strategy every day. He's not going to
give General
Petraeus a free hand any more than our troops in Vietnam got a free hand.
So, instead of giving Islam immediate victory they'll draw it out, killing 3
or 4 of our finest young men and women every week .... draw it out long
enough that the next president can, like Nixon, declare victory before
pulling out. But the result is the same. Either way we loose! The USA is
shown to be a "paper tiger" unable to win anything! "Stay the Course"
handed Vietnam over to the Commies and it will hand Iraq over to bin Ladin -
period.

We need better - we need the kind of resolve that nuked Japan and forced
Hitler to suicide. Otherwise, our grandkids will live under a Taliban type
government.

Saddam was perhaps the biggest obstacle to the forces I shall call Al Qaeda,
altho it goes far beyond Bin Laden. Had Roosevelt been as bone stupid as
Georgie Boy Bush he would have bombed London and Moscow after Pearl Harbor!
But the blunder has been made. Now what? Pull out? Stay with the present
failed strategy?

The only way to 'win', in the sense of putting a dent in Al Qaeda, is to
dump Iraq's Iran-style government then install a dictator who makes Saddam
look like Mother Theresa. Have him round up and kill all of the radical
clerics calling for jihad. Then close their damn schools where kids get
brainwashed on the koran and send the kids to real schools where they learn
reason instead of superstitions.

Meanwhile support our troops by NOT threatening them with prison if they do
what is necessary to suppress these fanatics. Start by emptying Gitmo ...
via a gallows! Napalm should prove useful in Iraq and Afghanistan as well.
'Specially since it's made out of pig parts grin.

McCain is nothing but a liberal in hawk feathers. We otta send him over
there, but he'd just loose another $million airplane and get captured .....

Know any candidate with enough guts to do what it takes to WIN??