On May 18, 8:11 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On May 18, 10:28 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On May 17, 3:03 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message

Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's
post...
the boss' or the workers?

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Hey Jon. In case you have not noticed the Americaqn auto industry is
in deep trouble because of all the dead weight the unions strapped
them with. The American auto industry spends more money on heathcare
for RETIRED employees than they spend on steel. Just how is any
company going to make a profit when they are forking out so much? The
only way they can compete in a world market is to start over without
the dead weight.

Joe

Agreed. However, 100s of 1000s are dependent on the agreements that were
reached when the industry was healthy. You can't cut people off at the
knees, so something needs to be worked out... gee, here's a solution...
universal healthcare. Everyone is then covered and the auto industry can
recover. Sorry... I know that's pretty liberal of me. g

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Well the union people and bean counters had billions to invest and
manage to cover the cost of heathcare ect and did a **** poor job of
it. When you retire you have the option of taking all your stock and
selling it and investing in other forms of retirement. Let's face it,
the days of 20 years with a company and a gold watch retirement party
and lifetime pensions are over. If you wan't anything for your
retirement you better leverage your career now and plan for your own
retirement.

Here is the choice (reality) for for the American auto industry.
1. Start over without all the dead weight, so we can compete on a
world market.
2. No USA auto makers.

Joe

I guess that begs the question... do we need GM if Toyota builds cars in the
US?

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I'll never buy a toyata, or any other jap mobile.
Having a strong industrial base is what made our country great, you
may be happy building Japan, but Id rather support Americans.

If I had my way, I'd impose a trade tariff that would level the field
with the japs and preserve the retirements that our mfgr's bear the
burden of. 40-50% import tax. And no country would be able to sell us
more than we sell them.


Joe