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Default Outboard Overcharging... (long)

Try this question in rec.crafts.metalworking
Someone there might have the answer.

"CCred68046" wrote in message
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This problem comes up over and over again in the newsgroups and boating

boards
and NO ONE has answered it...

A lot of older outboards came with un-regulated charging systems and I

have
one.
I read about people reporting that their voltage had risen to 16+ volts.

Last
year after over TEN years of correct voltage I bought a new battery and

mine
started doing the same thing. I verified this with the boats volt meter

gauge,
a Fluke digital VOM and a Simpson 260 analog VOM. There is 16 volts there.
Everything in the charging system is within specs. I have even replaced a

lot
of the system and its still 16+ volts. After not getting an answer from

anyone
(including the manufacturer) as to what can cause this I just let it go to

see
what would happen. Its been running 2 seasons like this so far and nothing

bad
or what should be expected has happened.

1. Nothing has burned out or been hurt. (Fish finder, lights, guages,

GPS)
2. It has not caused the battery to boil off water, I have not added one

drop.
The battery is FINE.

Some people have reported that turning on accesories will drop the voltage

and
this is correct. It worked on mine for a while but it will eventually

charge
the battery and runs around 15 volts. Leaving the lights on for a while

to
discharge the battery will do the same thing. Its amazing how this 5 amp
system can charge so fast.

After many trys I finally got to actually speak with an engineer at the
manufacturer. He told me they were always aware of this high voltage and

their
guages (OMC) were specifically designed to handle the higher voltages

without
harm. I asked him why they would even make a system that could even

produce 16
volts in the first place and he said "it could do 45 volts". WHAT!!!!!!

I asked why they were not concerned about the battery gassing and causing

an
explosion. His reply was that their un-regulated charging systems produce

a
very low amperage. Mine is around 5 amps. He said in a simple

un-regulated
charging system there is a stator (generates AC) and a rectifier (changes

AC to
DC) and the battery acts as the regulator. He could not tell me why mine

has
run all these years at 13.5 - 14.5 volts and suddenly started running at

16.

He did give me these tips for ANYONE with an un-regulated charging system:

1. NEVER use a maintenance free battery.
2. NEVER use any of the new AGM batteries.
3. NEVER use one of the new spiral wound batteries.
3. ONLY use a battery with caps so you can check the water level on a

regular
basis.

FINE.
I saw this motor run at the correct voltage for years and I refuse to just

let
it keep doing this because it can. Being somewhat of an electrician I

need a
reason.
I checked every wire and ground in the boat, they were fine. A loose

ground
could cause a rise in voltage. I tested every plug and ground on the

motor. I
disconnected everything from the boat except for the motor to eliminate

wiring
problems and it STILL runs at 16 volts. I threw some money at it and

bought a
new rectifier which didnt help.

Now I am down to the battery. The factory manual calls for a battery with

"a
minimum of 360 CCA". I bought a battery with 1000 CCA and it went to 16

volts
instantly. I borrowed a battery with 600 CCA and got 16 volts after it

charged
up. I bought another small battery with 420 CCA and have not had the

chance to
test it yet. If this does not work I am going to try a battery combiner

and
let it charge my deep cycle trolling battery too. If I give it a load,

its
fine (about 14 volts). I could rig some kind of regulator to it but it

never
had one before and shouldnt need it now.
On an interesting note a weak battery will let it run within normal

voltage
range because it will never charge up fully. Problem with that is you

cant buy
a weak battery.
I will test the new small battery (420 CCA) to see if that works, it

stayed
under 14.5 volts on the muffs at around 1000 rpm's for about 10 minutes

which
is a record. Since the smaller battery will discharge more during

starting
it might give the charging system something to do but being smaller it

might
charge up faster.... hmm.

If anyone out there has any logical suggestions I will try them and I

would
like to hear from you. There has to be an answer to this. Could

something
cause three VOM's to read incorrectly?