On Apr 17, 5:58 pm, Peter Hendra wrote:
On 17 Apr 2007 13:45:35 -0700, Joe wrote:

Joe and others who responded negatively to my initial post, a post I
wrote with genuine feelings for those young people whose lives were so
needlessly cut short and for those of their friends and relations who
will never forget this day and for whom part of them has died with
the loss of their loved ones.

Just how illogical and ridiculous can you be to draw such conclusions
as:

From Wikpedia
As of 2005, approximately 22 million or 46.5% of the South Korean
population express no religious preference.[26] Of the remainder, 10.7
million are Buddhist, 8.6 million are Protestant, 5.1 million are
Catholic, and less than half a million belong to various minor
religions including Jeungsando and Wonbuddhism.

I think Peter is trying to take the heat off the murdering Islamic
Jihadist that clearly use religion as a tool to con brain dead retards
into blowing themselves up and murdering scores of people in the name
of Allah.

Joe

If you knew anything about history and had ever bothered to learn
anything about Islam other than that promulgated by your press then
you would know that it is expressly forbidden to kill non-combatants
for any reason. The misguided who "blow themselves up" are offending
Islamic doctrine by killing innocent unarmed people.

So that I am not accused of
A: not knowing anything about American history, and
B: forwarding a supposed political agenda when in reality I believe
that "Flags tend to be cloaks that disguise a number of prejudices and
emotions" and belong to no political camp other than perhaps humanism,
I shall quote from Anerican literature to support my claim of your
ignorance.

" Americans are too broadly underinformed to digest nuggets of
information that seem to contradict what they know of the world ...
Instead, news channels prefer to feed Americans a constant stream of
simplified information, all of which fits what they already know. That
way they don't have to devote more air time or newsprint space to
explanations or further investigations."
Tom Fenton, former CBS foreign correspondent

"Politicians and the media have conspired to infantilize, to dumb
down, the American public. At heart, politicians don't believe that
Americans can handle complex truths, and the news media, especially
television news, basically agrees."
Tom Fenton, former CBS foreign correspondent

"Television is altering the meaning of "being informed" by creating a
species of information that might properly be called disinformation...
Disinformation does not mean false information. It means misleading
information - misplaced, irrelevant, fragmented or superficial
information - information that creates the illusion of knowing
something, but which in fact leads one away from knowing."
Neil Postman

As to the gentleman who commented about my supposed lack of sympathy
for Iraqi children, just how can you draw that conclusion? How
absolutely pathetic and unintelligent as is the gentleman who
suggested I was trying to "take the heat off Islam". I have never
mentioned, for example, my anger at the over 200 Cambodian children
who are killed and miamed each year by landmines with U.S. labels on
them that "were never dropped in that country" and which international
groups are trying to inactivate. To what point in this newsgroup? I am
not anti-American, far from it and do not wish to seem so.

I have never mentioned the Iraqi war apart from my annoyance at
Coalition task forces ( all ships were American) threatening to fire
upon my yacht and family in international waters in the Mediterranean
and Red Seas. I could do so - again from your own literature which I
have read extensively, both fiction and other so that you may see
that I possibly know a little more about your country than you give me
credit for:

"fascism - A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the
extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business
leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."
The American Heritage Dictionary, 1983

"All democracies turn into dictatorships - but not by coup. The people
give their democracy to a dictator, whether it's Julius Caesar or
Napoleon or Adolf Hitler. Ultimately, the general population goes
along with the idea... That's the issue that I've been exploring: How
did the Republic turn into the Empire ... and how does a democracy
become a dictatorship? "
Star Wars filmmaker George Lucas

"Why of course the people don't want war... That is understood. But
after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy,
and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it
is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a
communist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to
do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists
for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Hermann Goering - German of course.

"This [the U.S. Constitution] is likely to be administered for a
course of years and then end in despotism... when the people shall
become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of
any other."
Benjamin Franklin

As to your quiet aquiesence to the Patriot Act, much of which
legislation will be retained in some form regardless of political
speak - no government gives up power willingly; none other that Thomas
Jefferson wrote - "Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to
gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

"They wrote in the old days that it is sweet and fitting to die for
one's country. But in modern war there is nothing sweet or fitting in
your dying. You will die like a dog for no good reason."
Ernest Hemingway

One of the great attractions of patriotism-it fulfils our worst
wishes. In the person of our nation we are able, vicariously, to bully
and to cheat. Bully and cheat, what's more, with a feeling that we are
profoundly virtuous. Aldous Huxley (1894 - 1963) - English

The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that
certain other sets of people are human. Aldous Huxley (1894 - 1963)
(- such as Moslems - sic) - English

The gregariousness of men is their most contemptible and discouraging
aspect. See how they follow each other like sheep, not knowing why.
--Henry David Thoreau

It is my experience that most of your countrymen and women have never
read a single document written by your founding fathers, and even less
have read much of your literature by writers such as Clemens, O Henry,
Ambrose Bierce, Thoreau, Hemingway, Steinbeck and so on. It is people
from other nations such as Germans and Japanese that I can have
discussions with on these authors, seldom American (I exclude my
American diver friend, Jack Curley here).

Thus
"Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the
pig." -- Mark Twain - one of my favourite authors and philosophers

Ever so kindest regards
Peter

Peter if you truly wanted to say you were sad about the situation at
VT then you would have said that. Instead you took a jab a
"Christians" calling them terrorist. Then you went into a gun control
rant.


And sum ov us dumb merkins hve red buks 2

Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far
more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.
Ben Franklin

Do not be too moral. You may cheat yourself out of much life. Aim
above morality. Be not simply good; be good for something.
Henry David Thoreau

Never send to know, for whom the bell tolls, for the bell tolls for
thee
Hemingway

Relating to your post:
Folly is often more cruel in the consequences than malice can be in
the intent.
Aldous Huxley

As far a Thomas Jefferson goes do you think he wrote "Those who desire
to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do
they deserve, either one." before or after he was raping one of his
slaves?

Lucas of star war fame...Sheeeze

And you never mentioned that this week SANAA, 11 April 2007 (IRIN) -
SANAA, 11 April 2007 (IRIN) - The humanitarian situation in Yemen's
northern province of Saada is worsening with reports that the army is
laying anti-personnel mines in the area, say sources with access to
the region. At the Saudi-built al-Salaam Hospital in Saada city, at
least 60 people have been admitted to the hospital in recent weeks
with injuries caused by landmine explosions.

Not Merkin landmines Peter...You must be so dis-appointed.

BTW have you read anything the islamist jihad terrorist post on Al
Jezeer.
Would you like some quotes of how they have warped Islam so they can
use it to their advantage to murder more "infidels"

Even Kinder regards

Joe