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Frank Boettcher

On 27 Mar 2007 13:56:55 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

In article ,
Frank Boettcher wrote:
Not so. Go back to Max's post, but no matter.

I always try to go forward not backward. It's called a discussion, and
should evolve, unless you're a right-wingnut and don't believe in
evolution. g

Most poor want to work - most poor do work. The working poor are at
fault?

The discussion and your repsponse had to do with the unemployable.
Those who "choose" not to work. Go back and read Max's entry to which
you reponded. Try not to wander to much.

There are always going to be those sort. They are a very small
percentage of the poor. What's your point oh wanderer?

Estimate is about three percent, which is plus or minus about half the
unemployed at any given time.

That's not likely to happen at say McDonalds. Maybe in a factory, but
certainly unlikely in a production line. How long do you have to work
there before you have a living wage?

I started my work career at McDonald's. Worked there for over a year.

Were you promoted? Did you end up as a manager in your time served (no
pun intended)?

Did you ever work there? There are no chains in the floor that keep
you there. It is a job, that done well, can be part of your resume
with references when you move on and up.

Nope. I worked for the San Diego water district at $2.15/hour (it was
below mimimum wage, due to some strange agreement they had with the
University). I never did figure out how they got away with it.

I finally quit after 4 months, since I had no car and I had to be
there at 6am... it were a long bike ride on two-lane country roads.

Of course we have gone over this one before too. Something causing
your memory to fail?

Must be your confusing attempt to rewrite logic. Sorry.

I managed a factory. The assembly line and production workers started
at about $22,500/year and averaged about $36,000 per year with very
good benefits. Went from entry to top of classification in about
three years or so. Best of the bunch became supervisors, electronic

But, you didn't start at minimum wage right?
Below minimum wage at McDonalds. But, I moved on an up. that is the
point.

So, what point are you
trying to make? I started in a factory at minimum wage (also an entry
level position). I forget the $ number. After 6 mos, I was promoted to
a union job at $13.84/hr. Quite a nice jump and in those days a
fortune for a college student. I worked 2nd shift, got off at 11pm as
I recall.

What factory Jon. I'm curious about a factory that is organized that
has minimum wage jobs and you can be" promoted" to a union job. In a
non right to work state.

techs., superintendents, planners, buyers, model makers, etc. with
proportionately better salaries. My first job after McDonalds was as
an ASME code welder in a factory. I ended up running multiple
factories. But I guess in your mind that isn't possible.

Boss was an ahole and we regularly sparred about his bs. He needed me
more than I needed him, eventually, so I quit. No future there.

Huh? I think you're blatherin now.

You just indicated that you cannot move up from McDonalds. Must not
be able to understand the concept.

And, you didn't give any example of you moving up there. You just said
you worked there. Did you move up in the organization in your year?

Nope, could have didn't want to, no plans to stay. Boss at the time
was one of the best people and hardest workers I have ever known.
He would have made me a store manager had I wanted it. I didn't.

Not to me. Elaborate. I'd love to be educated as to why he is at
fault for lack of individual personal responsibility. And as you
explain, keep in mind these same individuals existed during Clinton's
time. And it wasn't his fault either.

He's certainly at fault for his lack of individual responsibility. He
doesn't care a fig about how what he does affects the lives of those
around him.

How is it his fault. You can't answer by saying he lacks individual
repsonsibility. Specifically what has he done to create a group of
people who are unemployable by choice. You made the statement, back
it up.