"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:39:28 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:57:04 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:55:43 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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You said "important in cold water." What I'm saying is that accept in
arctic
conditions, speed shouldn't be considered during a recovery. You
should
block it out of your mind as best as you can. Sure, shorter is better
than
longer, but even if it takes 30 minutes and you do it right, that's
better
than several passes of doing it wrong and saving 10 minutes. You're
much
more likely to injure the person in the water or the someone on the
boat
or
the boat itself.
I'll give you 3 minutes or forget it..
http://cobs.pol.ac.uk/cobs/fixed/sad...an=3¶m=tmp
Brrr... well, in any case, you'll still live longer than 3 minutes.
Check the bottom of the following for an approximate guide:
http://www.ussartf.org/cold_water_survival.htm
I know, I was looking at that very page. Just testing.. I'd still
choose Jim's ladder or any quick and dirty method rather than wait for
your elegant but slow solution. Besides, a mayday would probably have
you in *hospital* sooner than 30 minutes unless you are miles from
anywhere. I would call for help in any mob where they did not climb
back on board themselves within a couple of minutes.
Actually, an MOB is not technically a mayday situation.
Debatable, I think.
If the MOB can not get on board unaided or at least quickly then he is
in is in danger of hypothermia (in cold water) or possibly inhailing
sea water (if rough) and if he cannot climb a ladder, probably injured
( or a fat MF..). Use Pan pan or lower call if you like, the CG gets
to know whichever way you call them.
Sure... totally debatable, but I tend to err on the side of caution, so I'm
not going to argue. g
Of course, this is a
judgement call, and you would be within the guidelines to call one in for
that, but trying for more than a few minutes is likely to get faster help.
I
would think that even in the most idea situation for a mayday, it would
take
near that long to get outside help.
Here, about five minutes plus however long it takes at 30kts for an
ILB to get there. For a chopper may be half an hour but you probably
would not get one unless the situation really needed one.
Yeah, I'd say without specifics that I'd try for 10-15 minutes, which is a
pretty big range and quite a long time, and this supposes in the bay.
Last time I timed one of my students, she thought it took 10 minutes to
recover the dummy, when it actually took less than 1.5 to get to the dummy,
and after we talked through the process of dropping the sails, etc. (too
dangerous to try in this high traffic area) staying on station hove-to, that
was another 3 minutes. So, the time dialation even in practice was pretty
significant.
Well they can't get started until you have given up, doing it your way
and you still have the possibility of hypothermia, secondary drowning,
injury etc. to deal with even if you succeed. It no time to let pride
that you can recover a MOB be tested at the expense of not seeking
outside help.
Also consider the short-handed situation
of being distracted by yet another thing... vhf hailing, explanation,
location identification, etc.
Sure, you need to keep sight of the MOB first and foremost. I think
you need to get a GPS MOB position anyhow. I can reach my mic from the
helm so I don't think of using the radio as a problem.
Off shore, I would definitely agree. Off shore is a different kettle of
fish.. you can't sail away at all with any real hope of recovering the MOB.
There is nothing to stop you trying to recover the MOB after making
the call.
True, but again, I would try first, then hail, then keep trying until
someone showed.
There is so much debate about the best methods, one is left thinking
that some of them don't work out well when it comes to the crunch.
Definitely true. There was just a symposium out here that explored that very
issue. Quite enlightening.
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