"katy" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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Then it all boils down to one question: Did you or did you not turn him
in to his ISP? And I suppose your answer to that will be "I neither admit
or deny..." I admit freely I turned Neal in...and you know the exterior
reasons why I had to do that. Gilly does not hack, infest others with
malware or viruses. So he retaliated on group with information about your
past that might hurt you. Many people ahve thigs in their pasts that
they are not proud of or that they look back on ad think "Why the heck
did I do that?" Problem is, once it's done you have to live with it
forever. And things do tend to come back and haignt a person, whether
they think they've lived through them or not. Yur alternative to all
this is to either defend yourself, which you don't have to do...I caould
care less what anyone did back in the 60's...or you can ignore it.
Fighting it, though, without defending yourself i some way, just drives
the nails deeper.



Yes, it all boils down to one question and one sentence in your post.

If I say I didn't, then inevitably someone will call me a liar. I've
denied similar things, such as being the one responsible for getting
someone tossed, but in every instance, the person in question called me a
liar over and over, and will probably do so forever to whomever will
listen.

And, the one sentence is "So he retaliated on group with information
about your past that might hurt you." The word retaliated implies that he
is 1) is absolutely certain that I reported him, 2) he did nothing wrong,
3) it's ok to retaliate. I certainly dispute 2 and 3. I can't say if he's
certain or not. I can say that his intention (and Neal's) was/is to
"hurt" me. Gill just threatened me physically in another post. FYI, I did
nothing in the 60s that I'm ashamed of, so I'm not sure what I'm supposed
to fight or defend.

Yes, for some people, I agree that they will look back and wonder why
they did something or said something. Most mature adults do that from
time to time. I don't count Gill or Neal or the others I mentioned in
that category, as I've not seen that demonstrated by them. If you happen
to recall, I stopped (mostly) using foul language and arguing with the
likes of Neal quite a while ago. I regret doing it, but finally realized
that it was just making things worse. I wonder when/if Gill will ever
come to that conclusion.

There is a difference, though, that you're overlooking. Neal does physical
damage to people's computers. Gilly does not. WOrds are words, I've
learened, and some words should just be ignored. If what Gilly published
about you is not true, you have elgal recourse to sue him. If it is true,
then it truly is a matter of public record and he did nothing bit point
the arrow to the evidence. What other people do with it isn't in his
control. As far as retaliation goes, you retaliate when you turn someone
in because they don't fit your sescription of what should and should not
be said here. I only tirned someone in when a physical possesion of mine
was invaded and destroyed. Big difference there. Get over it Jon. There's
way too much life to live.


I'm not overlooking anything. If Gilly wants to publish things about me that
aren't true, I certainly have that option. I think it would probably be
expensive and not worth the effort, but yes, I suppose I could sue. Why are
you hung up on what he wrote or didn't write? I don't think I've said one
word about it either way. And, you're assuming that I've "turned him in" for
something that, as far as ISPs are concerned, is not something that would
cause them to do anything. My ISP certainly ignores these types of
complaints... well, they did ask me about "this Neal character" at one point
a few years ago.

Sorry, but there's nothing for me to "get over," since I haven't done
anything or even felt anything (other than mild disgust). I'm not
perpetuating this, and I'm being civil about it in the forum. Are you going
to tell me next that I should not be able to state my opinion about other
subjects... if so, please give me a list. I wouldn't want to get it wrong!

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