The statement was made that when learning to sail high performance
...WTF did you type out that list in the first place? Just
wasting bandwidth on complete irrelevancies?

Maxprop wrote:
Really just peferring to irritate bloviating fools like yourself.

Do tell.
You're the one stuck in an unsupportable position, which you got
yourself into... I suggest you start accusing other people of
ad-hominem attacks....



BTW if you've never capsized in a particular boat, then the odds are
that the skill of capsize recovery is also lacking... which explains
why you think capsizing a Laser is guaranteed to put you at the back of
the pack.


The Laser isn't a good example, but perhaps it has more to do with the
ability to keep the boat upright by quick reactions and athletic ability.

Which also go a long way towards being able to pull the boat upright &
get back in the sadlle quickly, too.


I've capsized a Laser twice while racing--once in a drifter, having gotten
slap-happy and sloppy in the heat and sun and roll-tacking repeatedly just
for something to do. The other time was after I got cut off by another boat
with no rights at the mark. I chose to capsize rather than collide with
another competitor--my boat was brand new. In both cases I was back aboard
and sailing within 30 seconds. My reference to DNF was directed more toward
Lightnings and Thistles. They can be self-rescued, but you'll be trailing
the pack unless you were far ahead to begin with. A Thistle takes about 15
minutes to self-bail with two Elvstrom Supermax bailers. Until then you'll
be sailing an 800-to-1200 lb. Thistle.


To some extent, it depends.... but it also shows (to me, anyway) the
unwisdom of sailing a non-updated 60 year old design. The only reason
at all why Thistles and Lightnings (or for that matter, Flying Scots)
can't be better at self-rescuing is the dinosaurs running the class
associations.



You've obviously never sailed a Flying Scot in heavy air.

Depends on what you call "heavy air." I've sailed thim in 25 knot winds
and 5 foot waves.

We were clocked
at 10kts.+ on plane by a Boston Whaler driver one 20kt. afternoon.


WOW!!!

...I have
yet to see a 470 achieve that sort of speed,

Really? I have.... many many many times.

... I do have lots of time sailing them, especially on the wire as
crew, but we never came close to 10kts. boat speed.


Let me put it this way... didn't you claim to have "busted" a spinnaker
on a 470? Sounds very doubtful to me, since light boats with little
spinnakers don't generally do this unless the spinnaker was a worn-out
rag to start with. Now you claim that in sail-busting conditions, the
boat didn't hit ten knots... I can only guess that you were either
dragging a bucket or two (which would contribute to loading up the
sail) or you're completely & totally full of malarkey.

Well, that's *slightly* funny, if inaccurate. If you'd actually sailed
rings around Flying Scots in "all kinds of conditions," the conditions where
you sail are, um, limited.


Well, sure. I never raced a 470 against a FS in a hurricane in
mid-ocean, for example. But nobody else has either, so I don't feel
bad. Pretty much got every other combination covered though.

Spent a number of years racing 470s at clubs all over the eastern U.S.
back in the day when there was a class of them. Many (perhaps most) of
the same clubs had a lot of self-puffed Flying Scot sailors who were
convinced their boat was faster too.... of couorse, the fact that the
slowest 470 often lapped the fastest Flying Scot seemed to escape their
notice, which is the best way to maintain such illusions.

Gives "Don't Look, Don't Tell" a new implication.

-signed- Injun Ear (formerly known as Eagle Eye)

PS: Lightnings often lap Flying Scots too.