"basskisser" wrote in message
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Jeff Rigby wrote:
"scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote in message
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"Analysis of records (Figures 2, 3) also shows that long-term ice
trends are small and generally not statistically significant (at 95%
level), while trends for shorter records are not indicative of the
long-term tendencies due to large-amplitude LFO."

http://www.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu/~ig.../ice/index.php

All this means is that they don't feel that using these trends to
measure
effects of global warming may not be accurate. This doesn't actually
say
anything about wether or not itactually is happening. If you read a
little
bit further, as in the next paragraph, you see this:

This analysis implies that deficiencies of present-day models, such as
the
oversimplification of ice dynamics, make simulation of fundamental
ice-albedo
feedback most difficult.

Translation = It is hard to tell what exactly is going on with these
specific
methods that they are testing. Again no examination of Global warming.

On top of all of that the original article did not show what tests they
used
to measure any global warming but did talk about the recedance of ice
and
the
low rate of ice return. This sort of calculation is done every year
when
the
weatherman says how many inches snow has fallen and then it melts
afterwards.
Not to complicated. The scientists are simply stating that less ice
being
created and more being melted is a sign of something.

Maybe you should actually read the stuff you are quoting and not pick
out
a
sentence or two that you have no idea what it means and spew it out as
gospel.

You missed where they stated that a possible reason for less Artic Sea
Ice
was that weather patterns are
moving some of the ice south where it melts faster. NOT that the Sea Ice
is
melting because of warmer temps.
This seems to make some sense since the temps haven't gone up to have
that
much effect (8% decrease in sea ice
as viewed from a satellite).

AND a reason we find fault with articles posted (basskisser) by you is
that
you play with the subject titles. To say that artic ice is melting is
incorrect, it's only Artic SEA ice. Temps would have to increase
drastically beyond what is predicted for 2040 for artic ice to melt.

Uh, the arctic is ALL sea ice.....

NO, definition of sea ice is not just that over the sea but the ice that is
made with sea water. And as you know ice
made with salt water melts as a much lower temp (easier to melt). Ice at
the polar cap (north pole) is several hundred feet of sea ice covered with
up to thousands of feet of water ice at temps of down to -50 degrees. The
upper levels 2-3 feet can melt and refreeze during the summer months but the
rest of the ice is too cold to melt. The thickness of the ice varies wildly
from place to place leading to, as mentioned in this thread, statistical
problems in determining melt rates if any.

Since Sea ice is easier to melt it will show the effects of any warming
trend way before the artic ice.