Jeff wrote:
JimC wrote:
Jeff wrote:
JimC wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
I for one have no interest in owning a 26 foot boat that comes with
a 70hp engine. This is the antithesis of what sailing is all about.
The boat is built to be balanced in the water with crew and with an
outboard of 50 - 70 hp. If the moter were removed, the boat would
tend to "lean" forwardly, with the stern too high in the water. The
weight of the outboard is far less than the weight of a typical
diesel in a 27-29
Not really. A 50 Hp 4-stroke weighs over 200 pounds - Honda claims
the lightest at about 210, Suzuki's is about 250. A Yanmar 2YM15 is
249 with transmission, though the shaft and prop is extra. There
really isn't a lot of difference in weight.
Not sure I'm following you here Jeff. In your previous note, you
stated: that: "And, as I said, with that large engine hanging off the
stern there's a huge amount of weight back there." - So which is it
Jeff? - A "huge amount of weight back there," or "not really a lot of
difference in weight." If the latter, wouldn't that tend to counter
your arguments about the motor and ballast messing up the handling of
the boat during pitching movement?
I was simply responding to your claim that the weight of a 50-70HP
outboard is "far less than the weight of a typical diesel." In fact,
its about the same weight. Jeeze, Jim, do you really feel the need to
fight tooth and nail on every issue, including those where you're
completely wrong? Is this a lawyer thing - do you get paid the same
even when your arguments are stupid?
I sort of get paid for knowing what the hell I'm doing, Jeff. And I
seldom loose.
And let me point out again, its not the weight, its the location. A 250
pound engine hanging off the stern contribute far more to the pitch
moment than an inboard close to the center of the boat.
Well, that's clear enough, and I agree. But once more, the boat is built
to be balanced fore and aft with a motor and a crew in the cockpit. And
it is. Actually, the motor isn't much more astern then the crew sitting
in the cockpit, or the skipper sitting on the back seat over the
transom. However, I don't think I agree that a typical diesel, with
generator, fuel pump, filters, prop shaft, etc., would weigh about the
same as a modern outboard. - Any stats on that one?
My boat actually could accept large engines - the builder put twin
100's into the smaller version of it, and with only minor hull mods,
created a best selling powercat. But this formula does not work well
for monohulls.
I understand that you have a 36-ft cat. Quite a bit larger boat. -
What's a typical cruising speed?
7.5 to 9 knots in most conditions, though in a breeze its seen 13+ knots.
The powercat with twin 100's cruises at 16-18 knots, using only 4
gal/hour. They originally offered smaller engines, but found the big
ones actually had better efficiency, so there was little point.
So you say. Why is it that you almost never post a trip report?
What, exactly, would you like to know? I had the boat out Saturday in
15-knot winds with fairly rough chop and some whitecaps, and the boat
handled steadily and smoothly except for hitting some nasty wakes of
large speedboats. As mentioned above, I was thankful for the larger
motor when going out against the wind and chop. Under sail, we were
heeling about 20 degrees fairly consistently with one reef in main,
and the jib rolled in slightly. Lots of other boats on the water,
substantially larger than mine for the most part, and quite a few of
them flying only one sail. Coming back, the Mac motored through the
chop at over 13 knots quite smoothly. This was an afternoon sail in
Galveston Bay, not an extended cruise.
Sounds like fun. Might I remind you that a few years ago you were
insisting the Mac could do 18 knots while I was saying that was
unrealistic, you probably wouldn't do much over 12.
This particular day was fairly rough, and I wasn't running the motor
full throttle. - I still think the boat would motor at 18 knots on a
smooth day without the ballast. - But I haven't seen those speeds yet,
because I've been reticent to motor without the ballast.
... Now, where is your last trip report?
No reports this summer, my spare time (and a chunk of the cruising time)
got preempted by family issues. However, here's the most recent set of
pictures:
http://www.sv-loki.com/Summer_06/summer_06.html
In years gone by I've posted a few reports each summer, such as this one:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...994c6e8d4fd9bf
or this:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...4bf089a2629977
If you want to see a long trip report, here's two.
First, a delivery from Toronto to New Bedford:
http://www.sv-loki.com/Delivery/delivery.html
And then a long trip:
http://www.sv-loki.com/The_Trip/the_trip.html
Very nice. Beautiful little girl, and dog also. I suppose you can anchor
in fairly shallow water also.
I'm in the same area as Joe, between Houston and Galveston (third
largest number of pleasure boats in the US). I don't think our harbors
and anchorages are as nice as yours, although we can get to the gulf in
a few hours.
Incidentally, does Durgins Park still serve Indian Pudding?
Jim