tiny dancer wrote:
"Bo Raxo" wrote in message
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Thanks for the update on this one. Another one of those cases where
the
death penalty should be *streamlined*. Once they are found guilty
and
sentenced to die, give 'em one appeal and then stick the needle in
'em.
Just *my* opinion, of course.


Yeah, that'll bring the Hawks back to life, right? And make the
streets safer than if Skylar Deleon spends the rest of his life in
prison.

And there is no chance whatsoever that a 25 year old could grow and
change over the next two or three decades, doing good by working with
fellow inmates or convincing young people to not make the mistakes he
did. Like *some* other inmates who committed heinous crimes in their
youth have managed to do.

Nope, you say we might as well throw that life away as garbage. Must
be great to be able to see in to the future and know with such
certainty whether a person will ever be able to change and ever be
able
to do any good for his fellow man. I don't know where one finds such
certainty about human nature and the future, but somehow I think it
comes from a place to which I wouldn't want to go.


Bo Raxo


You have your *opinions* and I have mine.

But there are open-minded folks out there (one or two) who might be
swayed by my arguments.

Or yours.

Some crimes are so atrocious, so
hideous, committed by sociopaths.

Exactly how hideous does it have to be to let you play God?


IIRC, it was Deleon who *played god*. It was he who decided he wanted what
the Hawks had and decided to kill 'em for it.

Yes, and he was wrong to do so. That doesn't magically mean that makes
it right for you to do so.

Let's put it another way: If someone is a rapist, that doesn't make it
alright for us to sentence him or her to be raped. Because, you see,
it is wrong to rape a human being (or an animal, I'll add).

Wrong. Always wrong.

Same thing with killing.



You just don't get it bo.

So much for the "you have your opinion" approach.

Who gives a
flying **** about 'doing good for their fellow man'?

I do, obviously. Just because *you* don't, it isn't fair to say
*nobody* does. Obviously, *somebody* does. Or do you think I'm the
only person who is opposed to the death penalty?


Take a vote. How many people here, right here and now, on this case, think
Deleon should get the death penalty for the cold-blooded, premeditated,
particularly heinous and callous murders of two completely innocent people
who just happened to have what he wanted?


You said "nobody cares". You were wrong. Now you say "not many people
care".

Oh, well, that's different: you have a mob on your side. I'll play
that game: Do you know how many countries that are remotely stable,
non-third world democracies, have the death penalty? You want to take
a vote, let every free country in the world vote. You'll lose.



Criminals like
Deleon, Joseph Duncan, Charles Ng, gave up their right to a *future*
when
they cold bloodedly killed totally and completely INNOCENT VICTIMS.

I don't think life is a right that can be forfeited. It is inalienable
and irrevocable, in my opinion.


As were the lives of the victims, weren't they? Once they are GONE, you
seem to forget about 'em pretty damn fast.

Oh yeah, I'm forgetting them, I want to give the three killers LWOP for
polliting the ocean. Sheesh! Any other silly straw man arguments?

Deleon has killed before IIRC.

I don't. And that still doesn't make the death penalty right.

Just how many lives does he get to *forfeit*?


So if they kill nice people, people with grandchildren, they die. If
they'd killed some criminal with a long rap sheet, would that get them
a lesser punishment, then? The lives of people like the Hawks are
worth more than human beings who are criminals, is that it?

HERE'S THE QUESTION: If Mrs. Deleon had taken the boat out after Skyler
stole it, stun gunned her husband, and threw him overboard, would you
give her the death penalty for that?

I guess not: she isn't one of those good people. Her life is worth
less. And we're going to let the government, in your world, decide
which human lives are worth more, and which less.

Yeah, great moral position. Can't see any danger there - sheeeesh.


Bo Raxo