"Bo Raxo" wrote in message
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"Bo Raxo" wrote in message
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Thanks for the update on this one. Another one of those cases where
the
death penalty should be *streamlined*. Once they are found guilty
and
sentenced to die, give 'em one appeal and then stick the needle in
'em.
Just *my* opinion, of course.


Yeah, that'll bring the Hawks back to life, right? And make the
streets safer than if Skylar Deleon spends the rest of his life in
prison.

And there is no chance whatsoever that a 25 year old could grow and
change over the next two or three decades, doing good by working with
fellow inmates or convincing young people to not make the mistakes he
did. Like *some* other inmates who committed heinous crimes in their
youth have managed to do.

Nope, you say we might as well throw that life away as garbage. Must
be great to be able to see in to the future and know with such
certainty whether a person will ever be able to change and ever be
able
to do any good for his fellow man. I don't know where one finds such
certainty about human nature and the future, but somehow I think it
comes from a place to which I wouldn't want to go.


Bo Raxo


You have your *opinions* and I have mine.

But there are open-minded folks out there (one or two) who might be
swayed by my arguments.

Or yours.

Some crimes are so atrocious, so
hideous, committed by sociopaths.

Exactly how hideous does it have to be to let you play God?


IIRC, it was Deleon who *played god*. It was he who decided he wanted what
the Hawks had and decided to kill 'em for it. Now, he could have gone about
it the way the Hawks did. Work hard, for many many years. Save wisely, and
buy themselves their *dream boat*. But no, he chose not to go that route.
He CHOSE to kill 'em and take theirs instead. He CHOSE the time, place and
method of two peoples' deaths.

Now, were I going to *choose* my own death, lets see, would I choose to be
beaten up, handcuffed to my spouse, weighted down with an anchor, and be
dropped alive into the ocean? Probably not, just not my idea of a *neato*
way to die. Oh yeah, I forgot the amount of time where I'm tied up, have
duct tape over my eyes and mouth, ANTICIPATING my FINAL FATE. Probably an
hour or so.

IIRC, Mrs. Hawks was crying, pleading to see her grandchild. Nope, still
don't think it would be at the top of my 'ways to die' list.


Or a
person in a black robe? Or 12 people off the street?


See above.



You just don't get it bo.

So much for the "you have your opinion" approach.

Who gives a
flying **** about 'doing good for their fellow man'?

I do, obviously. Just because *you* don't, it isn't fair to say
*nobody* does. Obviously, *somebody* does. Or do you think I'm the
only person who is opposed to the death penalty?


Take a vote. How many people here, right here and now, on this case, think
Deleon should get the death penalty for the cold-blooded, premeditated,
particularly heinous and callous murders of two completely innocent people
who just happened to have what he wanted?



Criminals like
Deleon, Joseph Duncan, Charles Ng, gave up their right to a *future*
when
they cold bloodedly killed totally and completely INNOCENT VICTIMS.

I don't think life is a right that can be forfeited. It is inalienable
and irrevocable, in my opinion.


As were the lives of the victims, weren't they? Once they are GONE, you
seem to forget about 'em pretty damn fast. Deleon has killed before IIRC.
Just how many lives does he get to *forfeit*?



The
Hawks never got to see their grandchild. Remember him? The one they
were
selling their boat so they could spend time with the new grandchild.
Shasta
Groene will NEVER get back her innocence lost. She will NEVER get back
her
brother/s or her mom. The *victims* had no choice in the matter. Those
who
perpetrated the crimes/killings did.

That justifies a severe punishment, it doesn't justify killing them.


The *punishment* as prescribed is death, or at least it is a possibility. A
known possibility. Deleon KNEW he could get death. Do you think, on the
way back to shore, when he and his *buds* were eating the Hawks food and
fishing with their gear, they expressed any REMORSE for the killings of two
people? Do you suppose maybe they, oh say, said a couple Hail Mary's for
them?



And you live in a fantasy world.

And you sir, live in a cold and sterile world. One that negates the victims
the moment they are gone/dead. For just a second there, Paul Simons words
rang in my mind. I am a rock.

Deleon brought on his own misery. And he spread that misery to many MANY
unsuspecting victims, probably too countless to imagine. All the friends,
family, acquaintances of the Hawks. And probably many of the 'rec boats
talk' people who are posting or reading this. Deleon spread a bit of *fear*
I'd guess, among those who read about this crime. Recognizing that there
are such evil people in this world.


In your fantasy land, governments are
fair and wise, prosecutors restrained, everyone gets a fair trial and
nobody gets framed by crooked cops and ambitious d.a.s In your
fantasy, the death penalty is only used when it is absoloutely certain
the person did the crime. Heck, why not add that if they make a
mistake, the court will bring the dead man back to life, since you're
in a fantasy world anyway.

Out here in the real world the court system is adversarial and d.a.'s
run in elections. They go for the strongest penalties they can get
when the crime is heinous because the public demands it.

Now read that carefully: not "when guilt is unquestionable", but "when
the crime is heinous". That's a reality. That will never change. You
MUST judge the death penalty with that unchangeable fact in mind,
because if you don't, you're waving your magic wand and making the real
world disappear for fantasy land.


Bo Raxo


Yeah, right. In the real world, all the cases we've followed here on true
crime, most every one of them has been decided by a thoughtful jury who gave
the evidence significant weight in the process. You can mourn all your
sympathy to the dregs of society. Me, I like to save mine for the real
victims here. The innocent people who were merely going about their routine
lives, and ended up 'bumping into' the Deleons of the world.


td