Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:16:59 -0500, gringo wrote:
The ground along the border has been seeded with electronic detection
devices for quite some time, with little effect. Oh, technology
works--but REpublicans beginning with REagan handicapped the Border
Patrol and all other enforcement efforts. Before Reagan, Border Patrol
agents all over the nation regularly raided those who employed illegal
aliens, and loaded the illegals onto buses headed for the border; before
Reagan, illegals skulked around in the shadows, or hid within the legal
Latino communities. Reagan opened his arms and our borders to them.
Nowadays, the Border Patrol are essentially mute witnesses to the flood
of humanity crossing the southern border.
Odd..I notice you missed the 8 yrs of the Clinton Administration in
your little propaganda rant.
U.S. efforts to expand and strengthen the fight against illegal
immigration - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 7, 1995 - Transcript
US Department of State Dispatch, Feb 13, 1995
"Good morning. Two years ago, when I took office, I was determined to do
a better job of dealing with the problem of illegal immigration. About
two years ago this week, when I discussed with Janet Reno the
possibility of her becoming attorney general, we had a talk about this,
and for the last two years we have been hard at work trying to fix a
system that everyone agrees has serious problems.
"The Vice President and I have just been briefed by Attorney General
Reno; Doris Meissner, the Commissioner of Immigration and Naturalization
Service; our Secretary of Labor, Bob Reich; Maria Echaveste, the
Director of the Wage and Hour Division of the Labor Department;
Silvestre Reyes, Chief Border Patrol Agent of the El Paso Sector; Gus de
la Vina, the Director of the Western Region of the Immigration and
Naturalization Service; Doug Crum, the U.S. Border Chief; and George
Weise, our Customs Commissioner.
"After our meeting, I signed a presidential directive to the heads of
all executive departments instructing them to very quickly expand and
strengthen our program to reduce illegal immigration in four key areas:
first, protecting our borders; second, protecting the interests of our
workers in the workplace; third, removing more criminal aliens; and
fourth, providing more assistance to the states which are burdened with
the problem of illegal immigration."
Protecting U.S. borders against illegal immigration - President Bill
Clinton; Vice President Albert Gore, Jr.; Attorney General Janet Reno
speeches; White House fact sheets - includes statement by State
Department Spokesman Michael McCurry on Belarus and Treaty on the
Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Transcript
US Department of State Dispatch, August 9, 1993
....
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...v4/ai_13263265
Remarks made at announcement of immigration policy, Washington, DC, July
27, 1993.
President Clinton. Several weeks ago, I asked the Vice President to work
with our departments and agencies to examine what more might be done
about the problems along our borders. I was especially concerned about
the growing problems of alien smuggling and international terrorists
hiding behind immigrant status, as well as the continuing flow of
illegal immigrants across American borders.
Following several weeks of intense efforts, including his personal
involvement in resolving the recent alien smuggling incident with
Mexico, the Vice President presented me with a report spelling out what
we might do. I have reviewed that report and approved it. We have spoken
to Members of Congress, including those who are here today and others.
I want to particularly acknowledge Senator Kennedy, Senator Simpson, and
Congressmen Brooks and Mazzoli for all their work on this issue over
many, many years. We're also in debt to Senators Feinstein and Boxer for
their aggressive work in trying to deal with this growing problem,
especially in the State of California; and I want to state publicly how
much I appreciate the work the Hispanic Caucus has done to ensure that a
balanced approach is adopted in dealing with this issue.
The simple fact is that we must not--and we will not--surrender our
borders to those who wish to exploit our history of compassion and
justice. We cannot tolerate those who traffic in human cargo, nor can we
allow our people to be endangered by those who would enter our country
to terrorize Americans. But the solution to the problem of illegal
immigration is not simply to close our borders. The solution is to
welcome legal immigrants and legal, legitimate refugees and to turn away
those who do not obey the laws. We must say no to illegal immigration so
we can continue to say yes to legal immigration.
Today we send a strong and clear message. We will make it tougher for
illegal aliens to get into our country. We will treat organizing a crime
syndicate to smuggle aliens as a serious crime. And we will increase the
number of Border Patrol personnel, equipping and training them to be
first-class law enforcement officers.
These initiatives, for which I am asking the Congress for an additional
$172.5 million in 1994, are an important step in regaining control over
our borders and respect for our laws. When I made a commitment to combat
this problem on June 18, 1 announced a plan of action. This is the next
step in fulfilling that commitment.
Some will worry that our action today sends the wrong message--that this
means we are against all immigration and that is akin to America closing
its doors. But nothing could be further from the truth. Let me be clear:
Our nation has always been a safehaven for refugees and has always been
the world's greatest melting pot. What we announce today will not make
it tougher for the immigrant who comes to this country legally, lives by
our laws, gets a job, and pursues the American dream. This
Administration will promote family unification. We will reach out to
those who have the skills we need to make our nation stronger, and we
will welcome new citizens to our national family with honor and with
dignity.
But to treat terrorists and smugglers as immigrants dishonors the
tradition of the immigrants who have made our nation great. And it
unfairly taints the millions of immigrants who live here honorably and
are a vital part of every segment of our society. Today's initiatives
are about stopping crime, toughening the penalties for the criminals,
and giving our law enforcement people the tools they need to do their job.
I'm also taking steps today to address the long-term challenges of
reforming our immigration policy. I intend to appoint a new chair to the
congressionally mandated Commission on Immigration Reform and to ask the
Congress to expand the commission to include senior Administration
officials. I'm also asking our Attorney General, Janet Reno, and the
U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service Commissioner-Designate,
Doris Meissner, to make sure the USINS is as professional and
effectively managed as it can be. Under their leadership, I have no
doubt that it will be.
With these efforts, I hope that we can begin a broad-based national --
discussion on this important issue and move toward significant
resolution of the problems that plague all Americans. Now, I'd like to
ask the Vice President to come forward, with my thanks for his
outstanding work, to discuss the specifics of the initiative.
Vice President Gore. The centerpiece of these initiatives is a
legislative proposal carefully drawn to protect the rights of legal
immigrants while allowing us to speed up the exclusion of illegal aliens
at ports of entry. Right now, thousands of aliens arrive each year at
airports and other entry points without proper documentation.
What happens if, as they come off the airplane or off some smuggler's
ship, they request political asylum? They're entitled to a range of
administrative procedures that enable them to remain in the United
States for many long months or even longer. Of course, some deserve
asylum. The facts show that most do not under our laws. Many never even
show up for hearings and immediately become part of the large and
growing illegal alien population.
Was there some reason you failed to mention the overwhelming and
sudden increase of illegals coming Norte duing those 8 yrs?
There was no "sudden increase of illegals" during Clinton's terms.
During REagan's years, the population of illegals increased ten-fold,
however. At least Clinton tried to control the problem; but during a
majority of his time in office he had to contend with obstructionist
Republican majority in one or both Houses. Bush campaigned to Latinos
prior to 2000 on a platform of "helping" Mexicans to meld into American
society.
The fact is that Republicans bend our laws and violate our Constitution
to please their rich friends and Republican campaign contributors.
Corporations do not make contributions: they make investments. The bulk
of their "donations" go to the Republicans who do their bidding.
The new fence down in the Diego area is working. Incontrovertably.
But its a short one..so they simply go around..by some 20 or so miles.
You cannot fence mountain ranges and canyons--ask american ranchers and
farmers. Ask China how well its Great Wall protected its domain from
the Mongol horde. Slave labor built the wall over a couple of
centuries, thousands of miles long, in places seventy feet high. Today
it is both an eyesore and a historical curiosity. But it was always
ineffective in protecting China.
ICE and the Border Patrol are hardly Mute Witnesses. But there are not
enough of them and are laboring under oppressive ROE.
Today they are mute witnesses. Only at border checkpoints are illegals
nabbed. Once they slip through borderlands and escape into the
heartland of America, they are ignored; if they are nabbed in, say, drug
sweeps, they are released immediately. The problem is acute in towns
big and small. The street corners of Valdosta, GA, Climax,AL, NYC,NY
are limned with brown bodies, waiting for whatever work comes their
way. They are competing with Americans and with one another for the
available work; the work goes to the those who don't ask questions or
make demands for equal wages.
LA's Special Order 40 doesnt help either..Democrat law that forbids
police from arresting an illegal simply because he/she is an illegal,
and in fact, FORBIDS any police officer from working with or assisting
Immigration.
Special Order 40 btw..was instituted and is maintained by Democrats.
Only Democrats.
It was instituted during the term of LA police commissioner Gates.
Gates could have taught Bush a thing or two about torturing prisoners.
It isn't a LAW; it's a guideline established in 1979 to combat serious
overcrowding of their jails.
One Reporter's Opinion: Special Order 40: A Revolving Door
George Putnam
Friday, Jan. 23, 2004
It is this reporter's opinion that we instituted a revolving-door
policy for illegal alien criminals 25 years ago when the Los Angeles
City Council passed Special Order 40, a city ordinance prohibiting law
enforcement from cooperating with the INS and enforcing federal
immigration law.
In other words, the City Council told Los Angeles police to lay off
illegal aliens who had committed crimes.
Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca says that when he receives inmates
who are illegal, who have committed crimes and have served time in the
county jail or even the state prison, he turns them over to the
immigration services and they are deported.
Appallingly, 70 percent of these illegal criminals are re- arrested in
Los Angeles County within five years. These are convicted criminals
who have been deported and then come back to commit more crimes. It's
a revolving door.
We are now to conclude peace officers are not permitted to make an
arrest for a misdemeanor offense unless the misdemeanor crime is
committed in the officer's presence.
One officer says: "I see a deportee from a recognized gang crossing
the street. I know I can't touch him. Only if the deported felon has
given me some other reason to stop him, such as an observed narcotics
sale, only then can I accost him -- but not for the immigration
felony. He's broken the law. He's here illegally. He's in violation of
our sovereignty. He's committed a felony. But I can't touch him."
In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicides
(which total 1,200-1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of
the fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
A California Department of Justice study reports that 60 percent of
the 20,000-strong 18th Street gang in Southern California are illegal.
The bloody gang collaboration with the Mexican Mafia (the dominant
force in California prisons), which deals in complex drug distribution
schemes, extortion and assassinations, grows by the day, recruiting
recently arrived youngsters \u2013 illegals from Central America and
Mexico.
And amidst all the topsy-turvy immigration turmoil, millions of
illegals are working, shopping, traveling and committing crimes in
plain view, utterly secure in their de facto immunity from the
immigration law because police and sheriffs are as much as told to
"lay off; they are the untouchables."
In 1992, then-California Attorney General Dan Lundgren issued a legal
opinion that held Special Order 40 to be unconstitutional under the
supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution. Recent federal court
decisions have ruled that nothing in federal law prohibits local
police officers from making arrests for violations of federal laws,
including federal immigration laws.
A Democrat. Under Democratic administrations on both state and Federal
levels.
It only makes sense that no state or city could prohibit its employees
from sending information about the status of an illegal immigrant to
the federal government.
As this is being written, a new CBS poll finds plummeting support for
the president. His job approval rating has dropped from 60 percent to
50 percent. His disapproval rating following the announcement of his
amnesty/guest worker plan is now at the highest ever \u2013 45
percent. And the nation is basically evenly split on the exploration
of Mars.
his approval is hovering around 30%.
Add this to the public's negative opinions on jobs, taxes and
immigration and one can only conclude that our Karl Rove-driven
president is in trouble.
The mayor, City Council and chief of police of Los Angeles have the
perfect tools to appreciably reduce gang crime in this city but refuse
to use them. The citizenry now calls upon these officials to revoke
Special Order 40, which forbids LAPD officers from even asking the
legal status of those violating laws.
The INS must deport those who are here illegally and must implement
Section 133 of our 1996 immigration law, which authorizes local law
enforcement personnel to refer those illegally in this country to the
INS for processing in accordance with federal law.
1996 immigration law, passed during Clinton's administration, at his
insistence.
It is clear that Special Order 40 is unlawful and unconstitutional and
should be repealed. There is no logical reason for the city of Los
Angeles to prevent its law enforcement agencies and personnel from
actively cooperating with the INS and all other federal law
enforcement agencies.
it is not a law in the legal sense of the word. But it is defacto law,
all across the nation; it became so during REagan's terms.
Those who have violated federal law by remaining in the United States
ILLEGALLY should be identified, arrested, prosecuted and, if found
guilty, deported as quickly as due process allows. Such action should
begin with the mayor and City Council. It can only lead to a better
quality of life for all.
all 20,000,000 of them, huh? But if bush withdrew from Iraq--if he
stopped "staying the course" in Iraq--we'd just about have enough
taxpayer money to rent all the necessary buses necessary for a run to
the border.
Special Order 40 and similar shams have got to go!
absolutely. But commonsense alone says that we cannot forcefully deport
20 million. The only viable alternative are huge monetary penalties
placed on those who benefit from the coolie wages paid to the illegals.
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