On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:13:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:22:15 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:
You'll need proof, of course, that they're your e-mails.
They'll all have to be signed Gunner Asch.
Nope..they all have to originate from or
several others with spam protection built in
And I dont need to provide anything. You mean dick in the grand scheme
of things and are simply a bit of snot flicked on the wall, that I
note in disgust in passing
Snicker
Gunner
Are you employed at the moment? Is your job currently threatened by the
presence of cheaper workers?
Im self employed, and in my field..there are few "cheaper" workers.
On the other hand..I work with hispanic workers every day, and by and
large I like them very much. Most are very hard working, respectable,
and generally very good people. Es verdad.
Im an independant machine tool repair guy, serviceing machine shops
and manufacturing industry in So. Cal.
So Im working with hispanics daily, and as I said above..I like them.
I eat with them, work with them, and date the occasional hispanic
lady.
But that doesnt change the fact that illegals have much higher crime
rates than do legals and citizens (with the exception of blacks).
The reasons are myriad..but first and foremost..most
illegals..particularly hispanics who come to Unitos Estadas..are from
the very bottom of the various hispanic nations social and economic
classes. Poorly educated, many times on the run from their own
countries justice system. Prone to violence, particularly when
boracho...bringing their own cultureal mores with them. Mexico for
example..has a total ban on firearms..yet has one of the highest rape
and homicide rates in the world. Its a cultural thing. Machismo first
and foremost. They come to America, are qualified for only the meanest
of labor jobs, but can make, what is to them.damned fine money
(Average wage in Mexico for example..is $5/day..other countries even
lower). Many were affiliated with family or criminal groups in their
own countries..such as MS-13, and join the American branches when they
arrive, providing them some security in a strange new country.
The ability to blend into the population is great, they have easy
access to changes of identity and the "underground" is huge and wide
spread. When they commit a crime, they easily evade law enforcement by
simply moving on, or by getting a new ID. Or simply going back across
the border until the heat dies down. Movement across the border is
easy, once they have friends and family in the US, and as I
said..changes of identity easy. I can get a new set of ID, right down
to the pocket lint, for at most $150, at any swap meet or public park,
here in So. Cal. So the opportunity for those of criminal bent to get
away with it is very easy.
Until very recently..hispanics are listed as "caucasian" in the crime
stats..so their actual effect on the crime rates has been harder to
define, but the FBI (Ive posted the links) and the DOJ have been
breaking it down and yes..Illegals make up a large portion of the
criminals who commit acts of violence.
The city and county of Los Angeles for example, report that between 28
and 33% of their jail and prison populations are illegals. Few are
asian or "other" nationalities. Its the culture, unfortunately, as is
the black population, which makes up about 19% of our citizens..but
make up about 48% of our prison populations (nation wide)..another
group that is unfortunately way too over represented in the penal
system.
Its NOT the race..but the cultures they come from, and the attitudes
and mind sets they carry as a result, plus the ease with which they
move inside the US..and sadly..the opportunities to commit crimes are
myriad..as is the low likely hood of being caught the
first/second/third time they commit one.
So the social costs, just in crime alone, not counting the entitlement
costs, of illegals in the US, is a burden that every one has to
bear..and its a huge one.
Low wages? Indeed. Illegals harm both legal aliens and illegal aliens
by providing a low skilled labor force desperate to earn any amount of
money and bringing the wages down for all. In fact..the group most
hurt by illegals, are blacks. Historically, blacks have filled most of
the low skill, bottom tier labor force and they have been edged out by
a group who is willing to perform the same jobs for half of the
traditional wages. This can be seen in ag, construction, service
industry and so forth.
Illegals really dont directly hurt the middle class, except in crime,
increased taxes to cover their social and penal costs, and in many
cases, lowered property values. But those costs alone are
exceptionally high in many parts of the US. California for example has
lost 87 emergency rooms in the last 10 yrs, with more desperatly
trying to stay afloat. And Im sure I dont have to tell you why..or do
I? It appears your ignorance is boundless on this subject.
I wonder...do you have ANY idea of why blacks and hispanics make up a
significant portion of the anti-illegal groups, the Minutemen
included?
Obviously your kneejerk cry of "racism" has fallen flat on its face.
so dont bother with that bull**** mantra. Actually do some research,
get off your fat white ass and look at the problem..instead of
parroting some leftist propaganda sound bites.
It will be an eye opener for you.
Gunner Asch
Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"