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Default My seamanship question #2

Jeff, I think you need to draw her a picture, in crayon.

Scotty


"Jeff" wrote in message
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Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote |
Hello?! If the boat is moving 4 mph over ground, but

the current is
| only 2 mph, then the boat must be moving 2 mph through

the water!
| Thus the rudder works.

Well, it doesn't work very good. :-O~

| Consider also: you've been plopped in the ocean with

no position
| revealing instruments, but you do have speed and wind

gauges. You
| sail for some time and then get rescued. Your

rescuers ask if you
| encountered any current. What can you tell them?

Nothing but I can tell them if my rudder worked or

not. If there's wind
but no current then it will work in irons because the

boat goes backwards.
Look at it this way. The rudder feels a current going by

it. (if it could feel).

NO NO NO! This is your mistake. The rudder does not feel

the current
because the boat and the rudder are always being pushed

by the
current. If the boat were anchored, then it could feel

the current.
Drifting free, there is no way to know there is a current.

There is
no observable affect.

Another analogy: if you're flying on a plane, at a steady

speed, do
you feel the chair pushing you at 500 mph? In one of

Galileo's works
on "relativity" he asked if a fly in a cabin on a boat

would be
affected by the boat's forward motion - would it fly any

differently?

This is all the same thing. When the medium in/on which

you're
traveling is in constant motion, its very hard to detect

that motion.


How fast the current goes past land doesn't matter. Only

what matters
is current passing the rudder. If the wind is pushing

you back at the same
speed the current's going back the rudder feels no

current.

Again, NO. The current is already pushing you back at the

speed of
the current. This is unobservable to you, except that it

alters the
perceived wind. If the wind also pushes you back that

will be
"through the water" and you will sense that as sternway.

Oh, and it's
the same for trying to back the sail by hand. Even if

the wind's blowing
10 mph if you're pushed backwards at 10 mph the sail

won't feel any wind.
It'll think it's calm out.


As I said, if the current is the same strength as the true

wind (and
going in the same direction) it will feel like you're

becalmed. In
fact, it is indistinguishable from being becalmed. But

this only hold
when the wind and current are the same. In general, you

subtract
(in a vector way) the current from the true wind and you

have the
observable wind.