Capt. Rob wrote:
Jon we have many many troops in Pakistan. Not only are we hunting
Ossama, but as importantly we are bolstering the Pakinstan military,




Joe, Bin Laden is quite ill and carting around hundreds of lbs of
medical gear, or it must be waiting for him wherever he goes. He hasn't
been caught because there are enough high powered Americans who did
business with his family, Bush among them. It's all documented and has
been released to the public.



Don't believe everything that Saudi intelligence says. That's where the

dialysis rumor comes from originally. I guess Osama's kidneys are the
only
thing that Michael Moore trusts the Saudis to tell the truth about,
since
it serves Moore's argument that Osama should be easy to find. If
they're
telling the truth, captured witnesses who've seen Osama most recently
say
he doesn't have kidney disease.

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Osama's Doc Says He Was Healthy
LAHORE, Pakistan, Nov. 27, 2002
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in531070.shtml


(AP) A Pakistani doctor said Wednesday he saw Osama bin Laden a year
ago
and the al Qaeda leader was in good shape at the time.


"When I saw him last he was in excellent health," Dr. Amer Aziz told
The
Associated Press. "He was walking. He was healthy."


Aziz was recently released after being held for one month and
questioned by
U.S. security officials said.


Aziz, a British-trained orthopedic surgeon, said he was summoned to a
meeting in November 2001 in Kabul, the Afghan capital. He was asked to
treat top al Qaeda leader Mohammed Atef. Bin Laden and his deputy,
Ayman al-
Zawahiri, were present. Atef, an Egyptian and the al Qaeda military
chief,
was killed shortly afterward in a U.S. airstrike.


Aziz said bin Laden showed no signs of the kidney failure that he is
widely
reported to suffer from.


"I didn't see any evidence of kidney disease. I didn't see any evidence
of
dialysis," he said.


Aziz said it was the second time he met bin Laden. The first time was
in
1999 when Aziz said he treated the al Qaeda leader after he hurt his
back
falling off a horse in southern Afghanistan. Bin Laden was in good
health
at both meetings, he said.


Aziz was recently released without official explanation after being
held
incommunicado and interrogated for a month by FBI and CIA agents. He
spoke
to the AP at his clinic in the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore.


He admitted that he had treated al Qaeda and Taliban members but said
he
knew nothing of the terrorist group's plans and rejected allegations he

helped the organization in its efforts to obtain weapons of mass
destruction.


Reports of bin Laden's poor health, and his deteriorating appearance in

video tapes released shortly after U.S. bombing began in Afghanistan at
the
end of 2001, fueled speculation that he might have died. But
intelligence
officials now say an audiotape released last month was recorded
recently
and was the voice of the al Qaeda leader.


At the time of the last meeting with bin Laden, Aziz was working in a
surgical unit at the University of Jalalabad, near the border with
Pakistan.


Aziz said his American interrogators grilled him on bin Laden's health,

asked him for the names of those he treated, and accused him of helping
al
Qaeda obtain weapons of mass destruction. He denied the allegations.


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Osama hiding in a Pakistani city or in Azad Kashmir, says expert
By Khalid Hasan
September 5, 2004
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-9-2004_pg7_17


Only three people outside Al Qaeda and the Taliban are known to have
spent
any time with bin Laden after9/11. Two are journalists, one a
Pakistani,
the other a Palestinian, while the third one is a doctor. He quotes Dr
Amer
Aziz, a Pakistani surgeon, as saying, "When I saw him (bin Laden) last,
he
was in excellent health. He was walking. He was healthy. I didn't see
any
evidence of kidney disease. I didn't see any evidence of dialysis."


Another Pakistani, a former ISI officer by the name of Khalid Khawaja
told
Bergen that he had received reliable reports since /11 that bin Laden
was "riding horses"-a further indication that he isn't suffering from a

serious illness. According to several US officials who track Al Qaeda,
bin
Laden's medical condition is not life threatening. There are, however,
credible reports, including one by Palestinian journalist Abdel Bari
Atwan,
that bin Laden suffered a shoulder injury at Tora Bora. When Tora Bora
was
attacked by US forces, bin Laden was there and, according to one
source,
escaped. This source said that there were three routes out of Tora
Bora.
The young and the energetic took the difficult, snow-covered passes
south
toward Parachinar. Others took the road to the southeastern Afghan city
of
Gardez. Older fighters headed east into Pakistan. According to him, bin

Laden took the Parachinar route, aided by members of the Pashtun
Ghilzai
tribe, who were paid handsomely for their efforts.


Bergen writes, "And so was lost the last, best chance to capture Al
Qaeda's
leader, at a time when he was cornered to an area of several dozen
square
miles. Bin Laden may now be somewhere in Pakistan's North West Frontier

Province-and if so, the area involved is approximately 40,000 square
miles,
a largely mountainous tract the size of Virginia.

Joe