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Joe wrote:
OK you strive to do right, and they killed your kid because you were
not able to make them talk.. Was that right? Evil won. You lost...
over...no second chance.

No, it isn't right, but the alternative is worse from a macro
perspective. It's easy to get emotional and angry. It's hard to look
at the big picture when confronted by evil.

We should all strive to do good and right Jon.

Now, you make the guy talk, and you dont kill him, or even have to get
physical and he talks and your child lives a long and happy life.. You
won...he goes to prison. Yeah!!!!

Sounds good to me. I have no problem with this.

You can not turn the other cheek with these people Jon, you can not
barter, or buy them it's been public for many yrs the 25million dollar
reward for Ossama. They were a large well formed well funded terrorist
group .. Now the big wigs are in Gitmo.....

Never claimed we should turn the other cheek. I'm not Jesus. We should
be aggressive but also be smart about it.

You act as if the USA swooped up poor John Doe put bamboo under his
finger nails, tore out his tounge and tossed him out of a helo to make
the other talk.

??

At war the bomb is ticking and exploding every day, it's fact these
guys were going to attack LA in 2002.

So? That still doesn't justify torture.

I think the upmost caution is used, and the list is a mile long, and
the DNA is there, and film, photos, fingerprints, paper trails,
internet trails, phone trails, even the licene plate on the last camel
they rode.

Except for all the exceptions... torture in Abu Ghraib and possibly in
Gitmo... etc., etc...

What follows is a very slippery slope, leading to the
abridgement of everything we hold to be right.

Perhpas youd be happier if give up now, and crap on what our fore
father spent 200 plus years fighting for so we can all be gentleman to
jihad radical muslims out to murder us infidels.

??

I agree, but we did some very rough questioning on the battle fields I
assure you.

Still not torture. So, no argument.

where some of the perpetrators of horrible acts
certainly deserved it, although there were some individuals who did
I'm sure. What they did, and what has happened recently (much
publicized) is illegal, and those who do it should be expelled from
their positions and sent to prison.

Uhh we did that Jon, just the other day with the yahoo's in Iraq.

Now we need to get rid of the leaders that condoned it... starting
with Rumsfeld.

And do we disclose where we were keeping them, give them due process?

Everyone deserves due process.

The president says he never has given permission, and will never give
permission to torture anyone.

Yes, but he's lied or mislead us so many times, that he's not
believeable.
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