Joe wrote:
Peter wrote:
. You're setting rules of conduct that
are profoundly short sighted and *will* come back to haunt you. It's
short sighted and STUPID.

When dealing with people planning and carrying out mass murder via
suicide new tactics and rules have to be made IMO.

So, you won't complain when Americans get disappeared in transit
through someone's country, then? Just answer yes or no.

What if we did not find out of the 2002 plot to take down the tower
in LosAngles?

I've been to LA. Like I'd care.....personally if they blew LAX off the
face of the planet, along with the people who work there and their
bosses, they'd be doing the rest of the USA a big favour.

Then you would be blaming Bush for not doing enough, never mind a few
more 1000 murdered Americans.

Nah, not me, I'm a '**** happens' kind of guy. There's no way of
preventing everything and only a spoilt mommys boy would think so.
Oops, that's the majority of US citizens these days judging by the
whining that everything, everywhere, is someone else's fault.

These people are pure Evil and the world knows it, we are not talking
about some naive foot soldigers.

So, it's OK to disappear & interrogate people without any sanction,
Joe? I just want to be clear on this. Never mind the justifications,
people can always find justifications for anything they want to do.
Never mind if it's technically legal or not, laws can be changed or
ignored.

Are you happy with your leaders kidnapping people, squirrelling them
away, holding them without trial and interrogating them without any
oversight? Are you also happy that this is the revised rule of conduct
in general, and that it also applies to US citizens?

Bet you answer yes to the first bit and no to the second. Assuming
you've got the intellectual honesty to answer at all, which I doubt.

Better hope the North Koreans don't figure out a way of applying your
policy. There's a lot of interesting entellectual property in peoples'
heads, and when you come down to it, the definition of 'strategic
interest' is very flexible, as is defence against attack. You guys have
proven you haven't got what it takes to tackle Iran & North Korea head
on now and it sure is in both places' interest to get nuclear weapons
to defend themselves in case you change your mind. So, from their POV,
kidnapping & interrogating anyone anywhere that can help them do it is
just self defence, right?

Same logic as preventing bombing LA. You won't admit it, but it is.
Welcome to the revised world, where anything goes. Makes me glad I'm
not in the northern hemisphere these days.

I've ignored the moral issues, because you've demonstrated that you
have no concept of the principles involved. Keep in mind tho, that
without a sound moral basis for action, eventually pragmatism fails.

PDW