JIM,

In regards to your comment to me where you stated...

"Sorry Patrick but it is obvious that you are giving advice when you
really don't know what you are talking about."

My reply is, as follows...

Keep in mind, that the original poster was asking about single or twin
screw power options, but when he questioned ride quality, I thought it
appropriate to comment on boat quality, design and construction as
these are huge factors in ride quality and if you don't realize that I
would say ditto to your comment above. I am also surmising from your
comments that you are either a Bayliner or a Maxum owner, which would
explain your defensiveness of the brands.

Beyond that, I was not planning on writing a novel about boat hull
construction and I never claimed to be an master boat builder. I was
simply trying to give the original poster some advice from my well over
30 years of boating experience. As far as my expertise...I've lived on
a lake since I was born and I now own my own home on a lake, so I've
been around boats ever since I can remember. I took a DNR boating
class at age 14 and got certified which allowed me to drive a boat solo
at 14, rather than waiting until I was 16. When I was 15, I started
working at a marine dealer and worked there for several years,
eventually moving from selling waterskis and equipment to selling Supra
Inboard Ski Boats and working at boat shows. I used to work with the
Manufacturers reps where I learned a lot about boat construction. I
bought my first boat when I was 16, a 1970 Slickcraft (Pre-AMF), that
had a rotten transom, which also gave me my first expensive lesson in
boat construction and I've owned several boats since then. I am 38
years old and I currently own 2 boats, right now...a 1999 Malibu
V-Drive and a Classic 1986 Century Coronado Cardel.

Yes I realize Brunswick is a conglomerate that owns many brands of
varying performance and quality just as I realize that Daimler owns
Chrysler, Ford owns (Jaguar, Volvo, Range Rover), GM owns Saab and at
least 25% of Toyota. Obviously, there are differences in the brands.
I also realize that today's Bayliners are much better than the cookie
cutter "Bayslimers" of the 80's, but the early Maxum's were popped from
the same mold in Burgandy gelcoat as oppossed to the Blue Bayliners.

Today, Maxum, like Bayliner has improved it's quality and likewise
almost every boat manufacturer has improved its quality and performance
with the advancement of better technology and materials, like resins,
kevlar, etc. Likewise an 06 Chevy or Toyota is vastly improved over
its 80's predecessors.

As far as hull, there are several differences in resins and polymers.
There are differences in gelcoat thicknesses. There are also different
thicknesses and qualities of fiberglass matt (Woven roven/Biaxial) and
different methods of laying it up. They may also lay more layers of
biaxial matt or coremat for greater rigidity of the hull. While most
mfr's may claim "hand laid hulls," more limited production boats spend
more time and labor rolling each layer of matt ensuring less voids
which means better adhesion (delamination) or less water penetration
(blistering). This is why some boats may only build several hundred
boats per year vs. thousands of boats per year. Go bang your hand on
the side of a Cobalt and then on a Bayliner and tell me there is no
difference. The Cobalt is thicker and more structurally rigid.

As far as interior, there are several different grades of vinyls,
flooring and hardware and there are several different methods of
installing hardware and windshields. This explains why, after several
years of pounding why some interiors rattle loose and vibrate and why
some don't.

The moral of the story is that there are different brands and qualities
of boats and, like most things in life, you get what you pay for. I
realize not everyone can or even will buy a Lexus Automobile or a
Cobalt Boat, but in the boating market there are a lot of options,
especially in the used market. Every boat I've owned has been used and
purchased in immaculate condition. I maintain them in the same manner
with the intention of keeping them, long term. Resale on a better
brand boat is a huge factor to consider because people like me will pay
a premium for a mid to high-line boat that we know has a lot of
performance and quality built into it that will last for years.

For me, I can see, sense and feel quality in a boat. If you can't, I
would suggest taking a ride in a Cobalt and then hop in a Bayliner and
explain to me that there is no difference in construction and quality.



JimH wrote:
"Century Coronado Cardel" wrote in message
oups.com...

Ride - A quick FYI, unless a boat is totally underpowered, your engine
has little to do with your ride quality, so aside from the power issue,
you should really ask yourself whether you've been "truly" happy with
your Bayliner quality in terms of its ride/hull as well as the quality
of the interior and hardware (windshield, etc).

Exactly how is the quality of the interior and hardware of a Bayliner? Or
are you just bashing the brand because of it's once deserved poor reputation
that Bayliner shed in the 1990's.


More importantly, a
better brand will give you a much better ride, as Bayliners and Maxum's
are not known for being solid/rigid hulls.

Really? Care to explain how they build their hulls and what makes them
inferior?


Beyond that, I am almost
positive that a Maxum is really a Bayliner in wolf's diguise. They
are, or were, at that time owned by the same conglomerate.

They still are. Brunswick also owns Sea Ray, Hatteras, Baja, Lund and
Boston Whaler, as well as several others. With your logic one would
conclude also that a Bayliner is really a Sea Ray in wolf's disguise, just
as a Lund is really the same boat as a Boston Whaler.




What I'm saying is that if you're gonna upgrade boats, you should
upgrade brands.
If you can swing it, look for a better brand like a
Regal or Chaparell. Those brands won't break the bank like a
Chris-Craft, Formula or a Cobalt, but they are solid mid-line boats and
you won't regret it on the resale end either.



How is a Chris-Craft a better built boat than a comparable Maxum?

Sorry Patrick but it is obvious that you are giving advice when you really
don't know what you are talking about.