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Capt. JG Capt. JG is offline
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Well, we're both half right... see the explanation of right-of-way:

The International Navigation Rules do not confer upon any vessel the right
of way however, certain vessels in sight of each other are responsible to
keep out of the way of others. Usually, power-driven vessels are to keep out
of the way of a vessel not under command or restricted in her ability to
maneuver, sailing vessels or a vessel engaged in fishing. However, some
exceptions exist when they themselves are not in command or restricted in
her ability to maneuver (Rule 18), overtaking another vessel (Rule 13), are
navigating a narrow channel or fairway (Rule 9), and other less explicit
circumstances.

Surely, you don't actually believe "sailboat may be the Give Way vessel are
more numerous," since this is clearly wrong. Feel free to make a
comprehensive list and get back to us.

I have no problem with this:

Even with the excpetions, one must understand the obligations of a stand
on vessel. The stand on vessel is REQUIRED to maintain her course and
speed --- not tack into the path of another vessel and expect get the good
old 'sail over power' stuff.


And, I suggest that you obviously don't know them "cold," since you
misquoted the "right-of-way" language.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/mwv_FAQ/right_of_way.htm

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"Gerald" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Gerald, Gerald. Firstly, there's no such thing as the "right of way" in
the colregs.


Sorry Capt. you are wrong. Please check Rule 9 para(a) (iii) and you will
see the one place where Right-of-way does exist.

Secondly, as I said, "mostly incorrect." Of course, there are situations
when the sailboat must give way. You cited one of them.


Surely you don't want me to continue listing the situations where a
sailing vessle must give way to power driven vessels( and no, I am not
including RAMs, NUCs, fishing, etc.) If you actually are a USCG Licensed
Master then I am confident that you are immediatly aware of others.

However, most of the time, with sail over power, the sailboat is stand
on.


True enough that in most day to day situations the sailing, fishing, RAM,
NUC hierarchy applys. Its the exceptions and various special cases that I
am addressing: They exist. There are several of them.

Even with the excpetions, one must understand the obligations of a stand
on vessel. The stand on vessel is REQUIRED to maintain her course and
speed --- not tack into the path of another vessel and expect get the good
old 'sail over power' stuff.

Besides situations where there are commercial fishing boat engaged in
fishing, tankers with restricted maneuverability and the like, other
vessels must give way.

Sounds to me like you need to review the colregs. Perhaps it's been a
while. Look at Rule 18 and go from there.


Sorry Capt. I know them cold. If you don't have a copy to check out the
right of way paragraph, you can find a copy on the USCG web site.


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"Gerald" wrote in message
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What is it that you disagree with? Do you know the rules???

Sail boats DO NOT have right of way over anything. Do you think a
sailboat is other than the giveway vessle when overtaking a powerboat
(maybe just ideling along)? Try actually reading the rules and you will
see that there are many other situations where sailboats must giveway to
power vessels.

FWIW -- I have over 50 years of sail experience and 10 years of power
experience. I have held 100ton ofshore masters license for 10 years.



"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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And mostly incorrect.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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Just another idiot powerboater whine.....


"Gerald" wrote in message
Many sailors think they always have "right-of-way" over
powerboats. The
rules DO discuss a few situations where sailboats are the
Stand On Vessel.
While these few cases are probably the most common
situations most people
deal with on a day-to-basis - mostly crossing --- the
situations in the
rules where a sailboat may be the Give Way vessel are more
numerous. Many
sailors seem to operate onder the "Sail over Power"
concept that does not (I
don't think ever did) exist. Sailboats are frequently
under obligation to
stay clear of motor vessels.