I wonder if he has any pictures of how he uses a cleat. Perhaps we can
diagnose why he's getting chafe on them.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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Leave it to bob**** to be unable to use a simple device like
a cleat. They've only been in use for how many centuries?

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Joe, I've never even seen chaffing on cleat hitch. I've
seen chaffing where
the line passes across the boat from the dock, mostly
because the line
wasn't in the proper place or the boat hasn't been used in
a very long time.
My understanding is that a cleat hitch doesn't move (e.g.,
untie or tighten,
at least I've never seen any indication that it does), so
how could there
possibly be chaffing action upon that part of the line?

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"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com..
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Capt. Rob wrote:
If you dumb yankees learned to use a cleat the proper
way, you would
have no need for such stupity and waste.


Hey, Joe...can you explain to everyone how a
traditional cleated line
will possibly outlast the system shown in my video?

If you know how to properly tie up to a cleat you will
have no
chaffing. If you know how to properly flake line on deck
you will have
no mess on the dock. True my system of using a line life
sailors have
used line and cleats for centurys will not last longer,
but it will
last the same time, and you can use the schackle and
thimbles were they
are needed. Unless you have schackle and thimbles for
the end on the
boat your line will last no longer. I find Nylon cheap
enough to splice
up new lines when needed.


We've found lines
will last far, far longer this way because there's no
chance of chafing
at the cleat.

So you set chaffing gear in your chocks, and schackle
and thimble your
fancy chrome cleats on deck huh?

You also don't have a mess of line on the dock

I find a propery flaked line very attractive and salty
looking,

http://www.navsource.org/archives/04/0406839.jpg

and only
one end to adjust.

Well thats just great, but forget about your neighbors
re-ajusting your
lines if needed. He would have to boad your vessel.


We have found it 100% superior and so have several
other large marinas in the area.

Must be like some sort of local insanity, same thing as
natural LSD.
Are you eating moldy Rye?


The yard's insurance seems to agree.


You telling me they gave a preamium break for such
stupity? Well lets
hope everyone carries sharp knives or marlin pins on the
dock, so when
one of the shackled wonders catches on fire. Here we
can un-tie a
burning boat with less danger.

Let me guess, Joe...you don't like it because it costs
a few bucks
before and it never occured to you!!!!


Well I have seen similar in the USN moth ball fleet. But
it is done to
vessels rafted together and expecting to be rafted
together for
decades. Thats most likey the reason you NY's do it at
the docks. The
navy uses custom swedged cables that are wormed, parcled
and served,
and chaffing gear is sewn into the serving.

Tell me Rob,, just HOW and on what are your lines being
chaffed so fast
that it requires shackles and thimbles?

Capt. Joe



RB
35s5
NY