"katy" wrote
OzOne wrote:
scribbled thusly:
So, Mr. Doom and Gloom...there's no answer in fossil fuel...and
there's no answer in vegetable fuel. Are you going to be the first
to offer yourself up in sacrifice or do you just advocate sitting
around watching as humanity collapses?

Worth a read.
http://www.issues.org/18.2/lave.html


Yep....good article. India is capturing methane ....

But methane has the same problems as ethanol.

I'll no doubt quit "emitting" long before you do. Meanwhile, I'm going to watch
humanity collapse whether you or I like it or not. You see the gas shortage
and the problem Oz mentions, and 1000 others, are only symptoms. The real
problem is literally too many f'ing people!

If the world's population had not *doubled* since *1963* - just 43 years - we
would have NONE of these problems. There was no gas shortage or smog problems in
the US back in 1950 when our population was 151 million - but now it's 298.6
million and guess what - there isn't enough oil or clean air or clean water for
the extra 147 million fools and Oz is justifiably bitching about our excess
carbon emissions.

And yet we still encourage people to breed like cockroaches by giving tax breaks
and welfare payments when we ought to quit subsidizing foreign countries and
sterilize everybody with 2 or more kids.

http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/img/worldpop.gif

That's why I'm Mr. Doom and Gloom. Sure, we can switch to ethanol and methane
and even reduce our carbon emissions a bit - but only if we are willing to
accept burning eyes and rotting fabrics (sails) from the extra nitric acid that
will entail. Or we could switch but keep low compression and accept even more
carbon emissions.

These may seem like reasonable tradeoffs but neither one will help a bit by the
time they can be implemented unless we also adopt strict population controls.
Suppose we could reduce both oil consumption and carbon emissions by 25% by
2020 - an extremely optimistic estimate. By 2020 world population will have
grown from 6 to 7.5 billion (25%), negating even that optimistic gain! Then the
population will double again and the world will be even worse off than now!!
Meanwhile people will be seeking more magic band aids just like y'all are doing
now. Eventually the whole Earth will become another Easter Island, not because
we cannot prevent it but because we are too superstitious to admit the real
problem or do anything about it. So either pray for a plague or spend your
energy lobbying for population control instead of band aids!

That's why I oppose magic band aids. They'll cost me but in 20 years.we'll be
worse off than now anyway and I'll likely be dead. So it's "What? Me worry?"
for me.