"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:18:16 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:


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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:55:08 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill"
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"Don White" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

What's the French Battle Cry?

WE SURRENDER!!!

http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo

At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and
donuts
and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the
place
near the kitchen door. :)


Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street.
You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in
front
of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes.
I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton
robes
and clutching their medical hardware.

I don't smoke cigarettes...

I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots...

There's a difference.

*Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :)

It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here!
Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing
seatbelts..........
You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law
stateside???? mmmmmm!

Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to
race
cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes.

I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why.

Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery
truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one
that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by
the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at
the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire
and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my
arms.

All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I
might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after
that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER.

If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have
been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was
told later.

In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents
where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and
bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like
torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc.

There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched
racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car.

Don't get me started on air bags.


That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show
otherwise. ;-)

That's where you are wrong.

The reporting requirements for seat belt use in accidents is to ask
the occupants if they were wearing seat belts.

90% don't say no.

Also, most seat belt accidents are at or under 25 mph - that's a fact.

So if seat belt use it being over reported, the "stats" are bull****.

Show me. ;-)

That's just it - you can't. The nanny staters and insurance won't
release the total information - only the parts that say that seat
belts save lives.

When you control the information, you control the results.


So NHTSA, local/state police department and private agency reporting of
accident data is controled by insurance company's?




Seat belt laws are based on bull**** and skewed to high speed
incidents rather than what the true results are.


For every piece of data you post that shows that wearing seatbelts does not
save lives I will post 2.

You start. ;-)