"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article , Bob Crantz
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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article , Bob Crantz
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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article .com,
Ringmaster wrote:

My first plan would also be to get out of town. But remember I
said a
SHTF condition. Shotgun would be to unwieldy inside of a house.
Cut
the barrel off and that's a problem with the law. AR15 packs
plenty
of
punch if you are using 65 or 75 gr ammo. Normal is 45 or 55 gr.
Also
most AR15s shoot 5.56 which is harder hitting than 223. There's
enough
dead Iraqs to prove the AR is a good enough weapon.

Do everyone a favour. DO NOT own a gun until you learn something
(more)
about them.

1. Using a rifle inside a house is plain stupid. A short barrelled
shotgun is far more useful.

2. Using heavy FMJ bullets is also stupid. Use hollowpoints or soft
nose rounds. The object is to transfer the kinetic energy into the
target, not the wall, next house, etc etc.

3. There is NO DIFFERENCE between 5.56 NATO and .223 except the
labels
on the boxes. Go look up the SAAMI ammo spec if you don't believe
me.

I could dig out my reloading manuals and quote loads, bullet weights
etc but frankly, I don't give a damn. I do thank my situation tho,
which is not having you for a next door neighbour.

PDW

Don't forget bullet stability as a function twist rate and bullet
weight
for
the 5.56.

Yeah but not real relevant at sub-50m ranges AFAIK. And Vito's right,
if you start popping bad guys further away than that, it's going to be
real difficult explaining it to the cops as self defence.

PDW

I wouldn't use a .223 for close in shooting people in a populated
setting.
I'd use a 38 or 9 mm.

Hey, try telling Ringmaster. I've given up. Personally I'd use a 44Mag
carbine like my old Ruger. Not a military type weapon so no 'evil'
connotations, 18" bbl, light, handy & powerful. If I needed more than 5
rounds, it'd be a firefight against too many people and I'd lose
anyway, so wouldn't start.

One of the side effects of smashing my left elbow so badly is I can't
use a Weaver stance any more. Pretty much out of pistols these days,
tho I may take up black powder silhouette just to keep my eye in.
Always did like those Ruger Old Army's in s/s.

PDW

I have the "10/44". I like Rugers, the carbine isn't as easy to conceal in
the house as a pistol. It's a good pig gun.

Amen!