"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:32:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:25:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"DSK" wrote in message
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Does anybody else see the self-contradiction & irony in this post?

Sometimes comfort trumps everything else. There's absolutely nothing you
can
do about it.

That's unfair. Locking out a scientist of the discussion because he
believes differently is the whole issue - not so much what he believes
or doesn't believe.

What you and my friend Doug King are ignoring is that the discussion
is limited only to those to believe that it's happening. Those who
don't believe, even though they are respected and highly placed
scientists, are being frozen out of the discussion for whatever
reason. That was the whole point of the article.

Secondly, geoscience is still inexact. Does man affect the
environment? Yes - all silly crap aside, it has to happen just as
part of being in a civilization. Is it as desperate as some think, I
don't believe so.

Where the storms of last summer due to "global warming"? If you know
any kind of science at all, you have to recognize that it has more to
do with the solar cycle than anything else - that's what drives our
terrestrial weather systems - the energy system. Even scientists on
the pro-warming debate admit that.

You can't have a scientific debate about this if you shut every
scientist who disagrees out of the process. There is no consensus if
you do that and the debate becomes useless because it's only politics
at that point.

All sensible, but I wonder what some will say ***IF***, someday, it is
shown
that we really ARE screwing things up in a big way.

Then it's screwed up - there's nothing you can do about it now anyway.
If it is screwed up, then it's already screwed up and nothing you can
do about it to stop it - it's going to accelerate exponentially if it
truly exists. So far, nothing seems to indicate that.

Everybody is more than willing to blame the advance of
industrialization,but they are completely ignoring natural cycles and
causes. The whole panic over the "ozone" hole thing is a good example
- it has a natural cycle that happens to coincide with, 11, 100, 1000,
1000000, etc. cycles of the sun.

The discourse needs to be broadened and inclusive of all points of
view rather than just adhering to Al Gore's.

Tom, I'm not ignoring natural cycles. I just accept that certain occurrences
can't always be blamed on one clear factor, nor can one factor always be
discounted, either. A couple of months ago, there was a scientist in the
news saying exactly this about the relationship between illness and toxic
chemicals in food & water. Complex systems - you know about these, and the
weather's probably the best example we have.