Thanks for the article Ray & apologies for an on topic post of course:-)
This article is just more industry promotion to make the gullible part
with "extra" money to become R&D for an already shown to be failed
technology:-) But hey if you insist I'll play:-)
PG1. Firstly they assure you "we take a stab at presenting a balanced
view of the product, and make some recommendations to potential buyers"
What just a "stab"??? that's as good as they can do?? so it seems they
admit up front that other magazine articles aren't "balanced", they
don't say if others of their own are balanced or not but I'd suggest
they are not because from there we go into the phony ballony marketing
article itself. Which like all the other magazines doesn't want to
"upset" the industry hand that feeds them. They hedge their bets just
enough so when it happens again they can say gee "we knew & told
that":-) Too late!!!! the time to ping this faulty technology was 98-99
when we did, there's no 2nd prize for pretending to have minor concerns
when the same spruikers try to falsely market the exact same BS again.
PG2 Completely fudges the question of "why" BRM are not spruiking that
material any longer, other than supplying it under the table to the
dealers to show on their behalf?? The infomercials have been removed??
WHY??? I mean if any of it were remotely true I'd say we couldn't shut
them up:-) I'd suggest on legal advice??? the French can only ever see
their self interest & have no real idea of course but now only the bent
dealers spruik this blatantly deceptive BS.
NB this so called balanced article then just makes excuses for each
blatantly deceptive piece of advertising, & they even admit any real
boater would see through it, so they're trying to suck the non boater
naive in??? I guess anyone who hasn't heard of Ficht or is too stupid to
realise:-) Hey we have one in our NG??:-)
PG3 It's not much more than an ad for E-Tec, even saying the other
brands of DFI were as bad as Ficht?? What a joke!!! Merc Optimax is NOT
DFI end of story, & to then compare the Yamaha with cyl shutoffs when
lean, 800psi common rail injection & all the other things that made it
as least acceptable against the designed & built on the cheap Ficht is a
joke. But hey they're only just getting warmed up!!!!
More of "their" opinion that all will be well but not a zot of actual
reasons why poorly atomised lean at power is suddenly not dangerous,
they haven't said anything about it, nothing!!!
PG4 Reads almost like the E-Tec rejoinder when they get pinged in fair
"independent tests" (say B&WE) & what??? powerboats mag. couldn't even
get one to last long enough to finish the test???:-) Seriously we'll all
laugh about this in the future but why wait?? it's a hoot it really
is!!!! But this socalled balanced article goes on to spin the results
with that neat little dealerism of "current model" so they can say the
engine they sell now is what??? suddenly lighter?? (it isn't still
heavier read the specs!!!), uses less fuel (their claims are so
outrageous I would suggest "only" the independent tests should be relied
upon, faster ?? (again don't rely on their "claims" the B&WE found the
bomb engines to be slow & for good reasons I'd suggest because of a huge
gearcase to carry impacts from detonation, piston that stops power
trying to survive detonation & lower specific outputs trying to reduce
detonation???) Note they don't mention the real news?? the Bomb engine
when actually tested was thirsty, heavier & slow; the trifecta of OMC
style marketing BS debunked right there.
PG4 Again the only thing testable (well the dealers are detestable)
about the E-Tec claims so far is the weight, fuel consumption &
performance & on all counts it transpires their marketing & dealer
spruiking is totally false add to that they want to charge thousands
more for a rehashed simple & cheap to build ficht 2 stroke than any
other engine & it's a measure of their neck they're even trying it on.
PG5 The conclusion?? what conclusion?? they say E-Tec long term
reliability is unknown?? but that's a fudge it really is,As said
powerboat couldn't even finish a test!!!:-) (seriously funny) this is
another Ficht upgrade with all the same claims made as every other Ficht
"upgrade", it seems this time they've given up trying to deny that
poorly atomised lean at power fueling is dangerous & are instead trying
to make the engine strong enough to survive the almost inevitable
detonation. The most telling line in PG5 is "It was sufficient evidence
to convince us to buy one" YES there it is!!! & despite the "In our
situation, we think the E-TEC 90 was the best balance of power, weight,
fuel economy, service and installation costs for our situation. We've
been very happy with the motor, once we got past our fuel/water
problems." Yes even when they get ficht bitten again they still accept
the excuses excuses excuses!!!:-)
So did they pay full retail??? did they even pay anything at all??? So
tell us the numbers??? & we'll make our own minds up if this is just
more deceptive industry back slap spruiking from the dealers or is this
even worse?? outright deceptive paid advertising?? What's an ad in an
obscure wanna be thing like this worth?? $100, $200?? The rest of PG5
just perpetuates more of the same E-Tec deceptive advertising like;
# You want the most low-end torque possible
Well the only "independent" test of a Bomb found it well down on HP
compared to even the cowl placard let alone the opposition:-), up on
fuel consumption compared to anything, but down on power hmmmm scary. So
this claim is not confirmed in any manner.
# You need the lightest motor
If they can't read I suppose that's right, again the "bigger" E-Tecs are
heavier not lighter. Is this a deliberate deception??? to not say
they're limiting the claim to a particular engine(s)??
# You want the cleanest motor available
Gee so now there's a claim:-) all OB engines, just like all cars meet
the regs, that's just a desperate marketing grab. Of course if you
really are a boating tree hugger you'd never ever buy a 2 stroke
anything, the oil ends up in (well on actually) the lake; end of story.
K
RayB wrote:
There's an interesting article available in "Ocean Skiff Journal" that
addresses the E-tec. If you're interested:
http://www.oceanskiffjournal.com/Sub...ral/ETEC1.aspx
Ray
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Al Seidel
e-tec 90
January 30 2006, 3:08 AM
I tried the 2005 90 e-Tec. By my 4 stroke standards it was louder, smokier
and far less economical. It also stumbles at speed and the dealer could
not fixit. I got rid of it pronto and bought a 70 hp Suzuki which moves my
17' whaler at almost the same speed.
The unfixable "stumbles" anyone remember the same complaints about Ficht??
then they told everyone it was fixed??? Hmmm same story???
Just a suggestion but is that at the end of the lean mode?? around
2000rpm?? hmmm could it be detonation, for the hugely lean poorly atomised
mixture or maybe the continuously firing spark or maybe it's just the 2
stroke fairies???
K