"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Who says the rich have to pay taxes at a higher rate?

Democrats, generally.

No where else in society do the rich have to pay more for things like
cars, bread, etc. The cost is the same for everyone for the same
product.

Right, which makes a federal sales tax more equitable than an income tax.

How come you want to deny the poor their chance to pay the same?

An odd question. Most people, poor or otherwise, would love the
opportunity to pay less in taxes. But to continue the discussion, the
impoverished and working poor probably should pay a lesser proportion of
their meager income in taxes. There could be exemptions or reductions in
a federal sales tax for the poor.

But the poor are taxed more heavily! Cigarette taxes, booze taxes,
lotteries, gambling taxes, motel room taxes - it all adds up!

Those are purely discretionary purchases. And the taxes levied on such
items, services, and winnings or losses are generally not well-thought out
before they become law. For example, some states have levied even larger
taxes on cigarettes, ostensibly with the intent of curbing some of the
appetite for tobacco. But those same states also claim the increased tax
revenues from cigarettes will help fill the state coffers. Ya can't have it
both ways--either the taxes discourage smoking or they increase revenues,
but not both.


Need more revenue? Increase cigarette taxes!

See above. I have a better idea--increase taxation on foodstuffs. And how
about clothing, shoes, and health and beauty supplies? And gasoline. Hit
all the necessities.

In general it;s the poor that smoke, are fat, gamble, live in motels, eat
fast food. Yet those are the things everyone screams for higher taxation!

Doesn't make much sense, does it?


The poor even receive higher returns on their social security!

Tax the poor!

Then tax seniors!

We need more "class" envy!

Why not kill the poor and the elderly. That would solve a lot of problems.
And we could confiscate their property as tax revenue. Ever see the movie
"Soylent Green?" How about "Logan's Run?"


However the rich should not pay a proportionately greater
percentage of their income in taxes. Once again a federal sales tax
would solve this issue. If a rich dude wishes to buy a Bentley
Continental, he'll pay more in sales tax than a dude of modest means
purchasing a Ford Focus. But if they both buy Ford Focuses, they pay the
same. That's fair.

The poor should pay more in taxes. They consume more government services
and individually contribute less to society. The poor should pay their
fair share too!

Quintessential Rush Limbaugh--right from his book, "The Way Things Ought
to Be." You might also have noticed that this proclamation was in jest;
that he really didn't advocate taxing the poor proportionately more than
others. His point was that the poor consume more of the federal budget
than the rich, but that simply isn't true.

You mean to say Social security and medicare go to the rich?

Yup. Just like it goes to the poor. You should know that. Think of it
this way: when Bill Gates is 65, he'll collect his SS that same as you and
me.

Corporate welfare, roads, bridges, and
other infrastructure built to accommodate big business, tax abatement,
forgiven federal grants and loans to businesses, inflated/bloated federal
contracts to big business, and so on ad nauseum, make individual welfare
(includes Medicare and Medicaid) seem small by comparison

Not true:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2007/tables.html

Check Table S-11.

Do you think such things as corporate welfare, infrastructure benefitting
big business, tax abatement, and bloated federal contracts to businesses get
listed as such by the OMB?


. Of course it's
difficult to assess the final cost of such things because they
*generally* contribute to increased production, more jobs, and those jobs
pay income taxes.

Then, of course, you have defunct retirement plans, such as GMs, which
will dig even deeper into the federal coffers.

Go easy on the poor, Bob. I'm unaware of any of them who would not
rather be wealthy.

Let others sing of gold and gear, the joy of being rich;
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Old chap, let's haste, I'm mad to taste the Joy of Being Poor.

Let me help: I'll take your house, your boat, and your cars, for starters.
g

Max