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Dan Krueger wrote:
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Don White wrote:
The local boat show starts at noon today and runs
through Sunday. Newspaper says admission fee has
jumped to $ 10.00. Is it just me..or does that seem a
bit excessive?
http://www.masterpromotions.ca/halif...-boat-show.asp
It should be free.
It should be free but many of these shows are run by
large exhibition companies employing union labor at
exorbitant rates. Traffic control, ticket sales,
security, etc. are all union controlled.
I have attended shows where you would have to literally
pay a union electrician $50 to plug in your extension
cord. Plug it in yourself and you would be charged the
same $50. Simple forklift delivery of your booth
materials cost hundreds. Even worse, they would put
their hand out looking for a tip while they are on the
clock. Pretty sad.
Poor Dan. He had to pay a contractor who paid his workers
a decent wage with benefits.
What do *you* do that's worth $50?
Dan speaks the truth Harry. That is the way it goes at
the International Exposition Center in Cleveland. I am
sure other unionized convention centers are the same
BTW: I have all respect for union electricians, plumbers,
laborers, masons, ironworkers and equipment operators,
especially those working construction. But you have to
admit that unions many times (as in the case Dan posted)
the same unions take advantage of circumstances.
How so? The union elecricians work for a contractor. The
contractor has the arrangement with the convention center.
The contractor has negotiated rates with the convention center.
BS. The union, not the contractor, wrote the rules.
Sorry, but virtually all union rates in the construction
trades are the result of negotiations between representatives
of the unions and representatives of the union contractors for
whom they work. The contractor then negotiates his rates with
his customers. It's called collective bargaining.
"Collective bargaining" says it all. The individual either
can't think for himself or can't earn his own wage on his own
merit. He has to be grouped with a variety of worker - good
and bad - to get the same pay, the same raises, the same
treatment, etc.
Still sad.
And what was it that you do that's worth $50?
Are you saying that a $50 to plug in an extension cord by a union
electrician at a convention center is fair?
What I am saying is that the worker is not getting paid $50 for
that; the contractor-employer is.
And thus the rub. ;-)
So how do you justify the charge?
I'm not an electrical contractor. I presume he charges a rate that
covers his direct and indirect labor expenses, overhead, and a small
profit.
Ah, but the rate is mandated per the contract with the union
hall......not by the contractor. You keep on missing the point
Harry. Focus!
So do all contractors have the same direct and indirect labor
expenses, overhead and *small* profit margins? Does it cost each one
of them (or any of them) $50 for their union electrician to plug in
an extension cord? Could this activity safely be done by the exhibitor?
Why does it seem like I am having deja vu for the 1000th time? Is it
possible that this same union vs. non-union discussion has been beat
into the ground more than a 1000 times in rec.boats? Does anyone
really believe the pro union people are going to say, "you know, you
are right, unions are responsible for all that ails America" or the
non-union supporters are going to say "you know, you are right, unions
are responsible for creating a level playing field between workers and
management"?
What does anyone expect to gain from repeating the same discussion one
more time?
Well, the alternative was to discuss why you insist on keeping your
identity, your home town, your occupation, the kind of boat you have,
and where you boat a deep dark secret.
But, then, that's been discussed at least 1000 times, eh?
:}
It is not a deep dark secret, many people know the answers to all of
your questions, but feel free to discuss whatever, this is a non
moderated NG.
Harry, doesn't it seem silly to do the same battle over and over again.
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Reggie
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