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Dan Krueger wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:
The local boat show starts at noon today and runs through
Sunday. Newspaper says admission fee has jumped to $ 10.00.
Is it just me..or does that seem a bit excessive?
http://www.masterpromotions.ca/halif...-boat-show.asp
It should be free.
It should be free but many of these shows are run by large
exhibition companies employing union labor at exorbitant
rates. Traffic control, ticket sales, security, etc. are all
union controlled.
I have attended shows where you would have to literally pay a
union electrician $50 to plug in your extension cord. Plug it
in yourself and you would be charged the same $50. Simple
forklift delivery of your booth materials cost hundreds. Even
worse, they would put their hand out looking for a tip while
they are on the clock. Pretty sad.
Poor Dan. He had to pay a contractor who paid his workers a
decent wage with benefits.
What do *you* do that's worth $50?
Dan speaks the truth Harry. That is the way it goes at the
International Exposition Center in Cleveland. I am sure other
unionized convention centers are the same
BTW: I have all respect for union electricians, plumbers,
laborers, masons, ironworkers and equipment operators, especially
those working construction. But you have to admit that unions
many times (as in the case Dan posted) the same unions take
advantage of circumstances.
How so? The union elecricians work for a contractor. The
contractor has the arrangement with the convention center. The
contractor has negotiated rates with the convention center.
BS. The union, not the contractor, wrote the rules.
Sorry, but virtually all union rates in the construction trades are
the result of negotiations between representatives of the unions and
representatives of the union contractors for whom they work. The
contractor then negotiates his rates with his customers. It's called
collective bargaining.
"Collective bargaining" says it all. The individual either can't
think for himself or can't earn his own wage on his own merit. He
has to be grouped with a variety of worker - good and bad - to get
the same pay, the same raises, the same treatment, etc.
Still sad.
And what was it that you do that's worth $50?
Are you saying that a $50 to plug in an extension cord by a union
electrician at a convention center is fair?
What I am saying is that the worker is not getting paid $50 for that;
the contractor-employer is.
And thus the rub. ;-)
So how do you justify the charge?
I'm not an electrical contractor. I presume he charges a rate that covers
his direct and indirect labor expenses, overhead, and a small profit.
Ah, but the rate is mandated per the contract with the union hall......not
by the contractor. You keep on missing the point Harry. Focus!
So do all contractors have the same direct and indirect labor expenses,
overhead and *small* profit margins? Does it cost each one of them (or any
of them) $50 for their union electrician to plug in an extension cord?
Could this activity safely be done by the exhibitor?
Why does it seem like I am having deja vu for the 1000th time? Is it
possible that this same union vs. non-union discussion has been beat
into the ground more than a 1000 times in rec.boats? Does anyone really
believe the pro union people are going to say, "you know, you are right,
unions are responsible for all that ails America" or the non-union
supporters are going to say "you know, you are right, unions are
responsible for creating a level playing field between workers and
management"?
What does anyone expect to gain from repeating the same discussion one
more time?
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Reggie
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