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Don White wrote:

The local boat show starts at noon today and runs through
Sunday. Newspaper says admission fee has jumped to $ 10.00.
Is it just me..or does that seem a bit excessive?
http://www.masterpromotions.ca/halif...-boat-show.asp
It should be free.
It should be free but many of these shows are run by large
exhibition companies employing union labor at exorbitant
rates. Traffic control, ticket sales, security, etc. are all
union controlled.

I have attended shows where you would have to literally pay a
union electrician $50 to plug in your extension cord. Plug
it in yourself and you would be charged the same $50. Simple
forklift delivery of your booth materials cost hundreds.
Even worse, they would put their hand out looking for a tip
while they are on the clock. Pretty sad.
Poor Dan. He had to pay a contractor who paid his workers a
decent wage with benefits.

What do *you* do that's worth $50?

Dan speaks the truth Harry. That is the way it goes at the
International Exposition Center in Cleveland. I am sure other
unionized convention centers are the same

So?

You go to a prime convention center, you want work done, you
deal with the contractors with whom the convention center has
contracted. That's how it is in the real world.

Chicago? Do you think they had a choice? They didn't build a
replica of the Statue of Liberty, they plug in extension cords!

Dan
What do you do that's worth $50?
Is that your best shot Harry? Really?
I know what construction workers earn, or at least I do for many of
the trades in a number of cities. They earn their pay.

Duh! I never said otherwise Harry.

I was not talking about construction workers. I am talking about
union electricians at convention centers.

Is that now viewed as a *construction* job by the unions Harry?
Might be. Depends on many factors.


And there lies the problem.


I'm not familiar with the contract between the IBEW and your convention
center. It is unlikely the inside work rate exceeds the regular
construction rate.



Connecting an extension cord at a display in a convention centert is not
a construction job Harry. Don't you get it?


It is also possible that your convention center's electricians are not
represented by the IBEW.


Nope. Not the case with the Cleveland IX Center or the Cleveland
Convention Center.

I am sure it is not the case with Chicago's McCormick Center either.

Besides, I thought you previously claimed that the union rates are
negotiated with local contractors. ;-)
Union rates result from collective bargaining negotiations. You seem to
not understand the concept.

Sure I do, but perhaps you do not. You previously stated that the costs are
negotiated by the individual contractor(s).

Did you forget that already Harry?