The original poster asked if a Jeaneau 52 is faster than a Belize 43. The
answer is most likely yes.

We generally beat the multi's with a mono although we were a slower boat.
Why, because the course required dead upwind and dead downwind sailing, that
is a weak point for multi's. When racing point to point reaching races, the
multi's won. No surprise.

Now, if you compare Mari Cha against Orange I would give the race to Orange.
Those boats are both all out race, not racer cruisers, or cruisers.


"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:
Not sure what you are asking Jeff? The PHRF ratings show that a Schock
is a slower boat then an F28. But in our experience was we usually beat
them around the course. Do they reach faster, yes. Do the go up and
down faster, no. On average we beat them. I can't deny what 30 years
of racing has shown me.

So here you say that even though the F-cats are rated as substantially
faster, you always beat them? But then you go on to "prove" your point by
quoting the ratings. Hmmmm.


Let's look at the numbers. A Fountaine Pajot 35 rates 138, a Fountaine
Pajot Belize 43 rates 135, a Gemini 105 rates 177. The Jeanneau 52 is
80. The Jeanneau will most likely get to the anchorage before the Pajot.
The numbers are the numbers.

Well, I wasn't trying to claim that clunkers like the Belize will keep up
with a 52 foot boat. In fact, all I said is that the Shock and F-cats
provide no evidence at all for the question of cruising boats.

But don't be too sure the Jeanneau will beat them to the anchorage. It
carries about 1200 feet of sail, a handful for a cruising crew. And its
rating probably includes a chute, which is unlikely to be used for short
handed cruising. The cats, however, can be handled easily by 2 people
without spilling a drink.

I'd be curious where you found the cat phrf ratings. I seen 141 for the
Gemini, and I don't think that included the chute.



Big cruising cats are a far cry from the monster racing cats and tri's we
see on magazine covers. Cruising cats are heavy with a very small sail
plans. If you cruise a powered up cat or tri and are very cautious about
payload it will be fast, no doubt. But most people like stuff when
cruising, and stuff is heavy, and heavy is slow for a multi.

So how do you think the Jeanneau would do against a more modern cat, such
as the PDQ 44?


Sorry, the nod goes to the Jeanneau.

Very doubtful.


Bryan

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:

We raced our Schock 35 for many years and often there was a multihull
fleet sailing the same course. F-28 Corsair Trimarans and others of the
same ilk. We were very rarely beaten around the course by those
multihulls..

So why does the Shock have a phrf of 72 while the f27 usually has around
50?


I would tend to agree that in general a large monohull will be as fast
if not faster than a cruising cat.

Are you seriously saying that a comparison of a Shock 35 to a F28 says
anything about cruising boats??



That said, the ultimate speed machines are multihulls but they are not
boats you want to cruise on. Weight is the enemy of any multihull and
beer in bottles is heavy!