"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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JG, please show me where I said that you said the Macs fall apart by the
hundreds,or that their crew perish in winds over 15 kts. - What I did
say, of course, was:
"JG, IF the Macs are that bad, and everyone knows it, why are you wasting
all this time and cyberspace? ...... Actually, you have been having a
great old time bashing the Mac26M, but so far, you haven't come up with
anything at all to back up all your assertions. ARE THEY falling apart by
the hundreds all over the world JG? ARE THEIR OWNERS AND CREWS PERISHING
if they happen to sail in winds over 15 knots? If so, why not give us some
news reports or independent accounts about all this carnage. "

I do have a great ole time bashing them!! Admittedly, I only have my own
observations, comments from friends who have made observations, and comments
from a dealer that they are relatively worthless as either a sailboat or a
power boat, that they are flimsy, and should not be sailed in anything but
the most protected waters, certainly inappropriate for sailing in the bay.

So if, as you keep saying, the Macs are "junk" or, "a pretend sailboat,"
or "a lousy boat at rip-off prices," etc., then why aren't they falling
apart by the hundreds, and why aren't their crews perishing in anything
over moderate winds? - As I have said, I don't consider them suitable

No idea... dumb luck? The owners usually wise up and sell them to some other
fool? Please tell us!

for extended blue water crossings or the like. But since there are

But, I thought you said before you left on your trip that you were going to
do just that and you were going to take some pictures, if for no other
reason than to shut me up! Was I wrong?

thousands of them on the water (Particularly since they are one of the
most popular sailboat ever made and are sailed in all kinds of
conditions), and if your assertions were correct, surely there would be

All kinds of conditions? Really? All kinds?

hundreds of them breaking apart in even moderate weather conditions. To
the contrary, if you check any of the Mac discussion groups you will note
many owners who have been sailing their Macs for years in a variety of
conditions, have sailed other boats, and,when they finally trade in their
boats, often choose another Mac.

Fortunately, I only have to endure your rantings about your fine vessel. Why
would I want to listen to a bunch of other idiots. I meant to say, other
proud owners.

From what you have said, you haven't even sailed any of the recent models
of the Mac26 (e.g., the Mac 26M). Again, you really don't have any
first-hand experience with the 26M's, and the nearest experience you have
with ANY Macs were several anecdotes about Macs that seemed to be having
some type of difficulty in SFbay. (And who on this ng hasn't had
"difficulties" in some sailing conditions?)

Fortunately, no. I have not. I also have not sailed any new Swans, but I
know that by reputation they are pretty well-made.

As to anecdotes, I guess mine are just not good enough for you... sigh....

In other words, it's obvious that you really don't have anything to back
up your statements about the Macs, JG. - Stupid remarks like: "They

Sure I do, but you're not listening. I've already stated that I've seen them
"sailing" on the bay. (Quotes are significant here.)

junk and look like it" don't contribute anything useful to the ng; they
don't help anyone; and they generally short-circuit what might become a
balanced, potentially helpful discussion.

I'm not short-circuiting anything. You're the one screaming names. I'm just
pointing out that not all of us are taken in by the argument that since
1000s are sold, that makes for a good anything.

Or are you just another troll JG, as Joe noted?

Well, Joe is entitled to his opinions. At least, I respect Joe because he
sails a great boat with skill.