On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:01:42 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:55:45 -0500, JohnH wrote:

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:46:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:54:48 -0800, Tamaroak wrote:

And he admits violating the law

He did not.

He didn't deny doing what's been claimed. His best answer so far has been "I
can't discuss it", or "I'll do whatever's necessary to protect blah blah
blah". You wouldn't let your kids get away with crap like that.


The statement was, "And he admits violating the law." That was a false statement.

"In the weeks following the terrorist attacks on our nation, I authorized the National Security
Agency, consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution, to intercept the international communications
of people with known links to al Qaeda and related terrorist organizations. Before we intercept
these communications, the government must have information that establishes a clear link to these
terrorist networks." (From the President's Radio Address, 17 Dec.)

You guys are arguing around the issue. The NSA's charter includes
this type of intelligence and is prohibited from gathering
intelligence on any LAWFULL CITIZEN of the US. Meaning that if you
are here on a green card or a visa, you are subject to surveillance in
international calls.

By the way, France, Germany and Italy have similar laws and
surveillance in people in their countries.

I wasn't arguing the issue. I was arguing the statement made by the original poster, to wit: "And he
admits violating the law."

Bush made no such admission.

Regarding your comment, even the NYT (buried deeply in the article) states:

"Under the agency's longstanding rules, the N.S.A. can target for interception phone calls or e-mail
messages on foreign soil, even if the recipients of those communications are in the United States.
Usually, though, the government can only target phones and e-mail messages in the United States by
first obtaining a court order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which holds its
closed sessions at the Justice Department."

The more I think about it, the more I believe the entire article was written and published to
provide some Democrat Senators a couple lines to quote while arguing against the Patriot Act on 16
Dec.
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John H

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