How 'bout it Krause?
Harry,
I have no idea if JohnH had an alcohol problem or not, but anyone who is
successful in kicking a habit is much stronger than the average person. A
normal person would congratulate someone who was in "recovery", you seem to
think it a hot button you can push when it is appropriate.
I know when I was younger, I and many people I knew, drank more than we
should. It was very common for meetings to include an overstocked
"hospitality suite". I never considered myself an addict, but I know I
feel better since I stopped drinking. Today when I am setting up a
"hospitality suite" it includes finger food ( veggie tray, sushi, wings,etc.
soft drinks, beer and wine. If someone asks for a brand of type of
liquor, I will have it sent up, but that is the exception, it seems everyone
has cut way back on their liquor consumption.
If you wife read how you belittle those you think are in "recovery" she
would be ashamed.
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:36:32 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:59:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:03:34 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,
There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in
Google for a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support
groups for the victims of NPD, but those with the illness rarely
seek help. One of the problems mentioned is those with NPD would
always try to take advantage the other members of the group.
More amateur hour? If you fell seriously ill with multiple symptoms
and had no idea what was causing them, would you seek professional
help or would you start playing guessing games with the data on
internet sites?
Sometimes a 12-step program will provide the support an addict
needs, but that addict also will need therapy and other assistance.
12-stepping is no substitute for therapy.
You've much to learn 12-step programs.
The question was whether or not a 12-step program helped disorders
*other* than addictions. Although
not specifically addressed, the question of NPD was answered by
Reggie. Do you have other
information?
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John Herring
I would agree that 12-step programs help *some* sufferers of various
addictions with support. The "addiction" 12-step programs are support
groups.
That's better.
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Better? It's no different than my original position. All the 12-step
programs offer is support. It takes a lot more than "support" for most
addicts to kick their habits.
Are you a graduate of a 12-step support group?
You earlier stated an addict 'will need therapy and other assistance' in
addition to a 12-step
program. That was not a true statement.
Are you seeking more personal information for your data base?
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John Herring
D'oh. Most addicts need more than 12-step support groups to kick their
habits.
What database is that, John? I think I posted here a couple of years ago
that you reminded me of an alcoholic "in recovery." That's not in any
database. I just remember posting it.
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