JohnH,
I thought that is what Harry said, but I was too lazy to go back and read
the original post. Sometimes the thread becomes too boring to bother, but
you are absolutely correct, many people are able to treat their addictions
without therapy and other assistance. Some of these people use a 12 Step
Program, some don't.

Many people find Christianity as a source of strength to help them over
their addictions. I am sure that offended some of the Non Christians in the
group.




"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:36:32 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:59:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:03:34 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in
Google for
a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups for the
victims
of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help. One of the
problems
mentioned is those with NPD would always try to take advantage the
other
members of the group.
More amateur hour? If you fell seriously ill with multiple symptoms
and
had no idea what was causing them, would you seek professional help
or
would you start playing guessing games with the data on internet
sites?

Sometimes a 12-step program will provide the support an addict needs,
but that addict also will need therapy and other assistance.
12-stepping
is no substitute for therapy.
You've much to learn 12-step programs.

The question was whether or not a 12-step program helped disorders
*other* than addictions. Although
not specifically addressed, the question of NPD was answered by
Reggie. Do you have other
information?
--
John Herring
I would agree that 12-step programs help *some* sufferers of various
addictions with support. The "addiction" 12-step programs are support
groups.

That's better.
--


Better? It's no different than my original position. All the 12-step
programs offer is support. It takes a lot more than "support" for most
addicts to kick their habits.

Are you a graduate of a 12-step support group?

You earlier stated an addict 'will need therapy and other assistance' in
addition to a 12-step
program. That was not a true statement.

Are you seeking more personal information for your data base?
--
John Herring

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