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So which Big Time Cristians say the following?

"He decided that the only treatment they merited was to have their
fighters
killed, their women taken captive, and their property seized as
booty.

Some Orientalists claim that Muhammad was cruel to the Jews, but this
is
how determination should be. One must be firm when firmness is
warranted,
and gentle when gentleness is warranted."

Pope Urban II issued orders that the Moslem peoples should be all
killed and
the holy land freed from the non Christians.

The First Crusade was the most successful from a military point of
view.
Accounts of this action are shocking. For example, historian Raymond
of
Agiles described the capture of Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1099:


"Some of our men cut off the heads of their enemies; others shot them
with
arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them longer
by
casting them into the flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet were to
be seen
in the streets of the city. It was necessary to pick one's way over
the
bodies of men and horses. But these were small matters compared to
what
happened at the temple of Solomon, a place where religious services
ware
ordinarily chanted. What happened there? If I tell the truth, it will
exceed
your powers of belief. So let it suffice to say this much at least,
that in
the temple and portico of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees
and
bridle reins."

The Christians of that era were just as cruel and barbaric as what you
are
attributing to the Moslems of the time.


But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big
Time Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the
Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many
Muslims have not.

Whether you wish death upon an enemy in ways you can actually
accomplish, or believe death *should* come to them because of some
mythological Armageddon nonsense in the bible, you're an asshole either
way.

But the actual debate lies in *who* is actually the enemy. To me, it's
the terrorists trying to blow up civilians. To the terrorists, it's any
non-Muslim...or any non-Muslim sympathizer.

At least you said "To the terrorists", instead of "To Muslims". You're
evolving.

Muslims in general are not the problem. The problem lies with Muslims who
live by the Sharia that is practiced today in the Islamic states...namely
the Wahhabis.

http://www.meta-religion.com/Extremi.../wahhabism.htm