"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:29:34 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

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More and more, the reports from "our side" are beginning to represent
those reports we got from "our side" during the Vietnam debacle,
including the "body counts" of "enemies killed."

last paragraph
"To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of
the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past. To suggest
we are on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable
pessimism. To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only
realistic,
yet unsatisfactory, conclusion. On the off chance that military and
political analysts are right, in the
next few months we must test the enemy's intentions, in case this is
indeed his last big gasp before negotiations. But it is increasingly
clear to this reporter that the only rational way
out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people
who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they
could."
"This is Walter Cronkite. Good night."


"That's it. If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America." LBJ
(President Johnson)


Some here are not old enough to remember.

When will our leaders come to their senses?

Answer:
You don't know.


http://faculty.smu.edu/dsimon/Change%20--Cronkite.html
http://faculty.smu.edu/dsimon/Change-Viet2.html



The saddest part of Cronkite's remark was that even near the end. he and
millions of other Americans thought South Vietnam was a "democracy." It
wasn't, and Iraq isn't and won't be.

Bush's statement the other day of what would constitute "victory" in Iraq
has about as much chance of happening as the Victoria's Secret tour bus
breaking down in front of my house.

But the simple folk buy into it. Just ask NOYB.

I'm content with 4 or 5 permanent bases in Iraq. What happens in the
individual cities and towns is of no interest to me.