Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 5 Dec 2005 12:40:41 -0800, wrote:
Tom,
thanks for your info 
Is an Etec 150 quieter as a Yamaha 150 4 stroke? How about fuel use? I
guess is the same.
Not only is it quieter, it burns cleaner and is more fuel efficient by
about 20/30%.
Do you have first hand experience 4stroke vs Etec? Is a 150 Etec
quieter than a 150 Yamaha 4 stroke? Not just at idle but throught the
RPM range lets say up to 4500?
at WOT we dont care 
I can stand in the stern of the Contender at WOT and carry on a normal
conversation. Twin E-TEC 225s. The only thing that inhibits
conversation is the wind noise.
How much oil does the Etec burn with TCW3 and XD100 oil?
Don't even bother wtih XD-50 although it will burn it, it burns about
the same rate as the FICHT. To tell you the truth, I don't know what
we burned this year in total as we haven't done the year end figures
yet, but last year we used two and a half to three gallons total over
the summer. I'll get back to you later today.
Bombardier used to state on their webpage how much oil the motor uses
... with the special oil it was about half of the TC3 use ... I cant
find that info anymore ... The oil use does not appear anywhere in
their brochure ...
It's about or better than that - I'll have some figures for you later
on tonight.
Can an ETec be rebuilt?
Any engine can be rebuilt. Are you asking if you could rebuild it?
I am wondering because it has those specially coated cylinders (boron
nitrate or whatnot) If you rebiuld the engine how doe the coating get
back on there?
I'm probably being dense here, but if you are rebuilding, you'd want
to use a new block anyway.
One word of warning. There is a denizen who haunts this newsgroup who
has a thing about this technology and will probably surface to attempt
to dissuade you.
You mean Karen? I think she does have points and what she argues makes
sense. But it looks like these days the lean burn issues dont cause
Kabooms anymore...
That wasn't the issue to begin with. The issue was the FICHT
injector. And Karen has no personal knowledge of this having never
owned one. And the issues weren't across the spectrum of the FICHT
line but only involved the 150/175 block and not all of them.
I've never owned a ficht but that didn't debar me from correctly telling
you chapter & verse they wouldn't work & they didn't. Much more they
didn't because of the exact reasons we gave you in early 98.
As for not "knowing" how the injector worked we were the only ones who
knew how it worked!!! because OMC had fed the dealers BS, you were not
around in those days Tom but eventually we got Bill to actually pull a
Ficht injector apart & only then did he concede it wasn't an
electromagnet driven piston in a bore. Once he took our challenge to
clock the ball against the bore he discovered exactly as we'd been
telling him for months that the ONLY pressure rise was the pebble in a
bucket effect which Ficht had been trying to flog for years & none of
the proper engine people bought it till OMC fell for it. Ficht of course
then brought OMC down & also ****ed another 1.3 US$ Bill against the
retirees wall:-)
When I owned three FICHTs, I had one that had some problems and it was
with the EMM and not with the injector system. Bombardier replaced
the EMM, wiring harness, updated the software, new stator (which is
what failed) and new injectors at no cost to me - this was an OMC
motor. Karen claims that this proves that there is a 33% failure
rate. What it proved is that Karen is an idiot.
No the head of OMC himself gave the world a 1 in 5 failure rate, which
you & the dealers then tried to spin to something other than his own
public admissions. I merely pointed out & do here again you have had a
33% failure rate on your own Fichts. Where am i wrong???
I used to have some
respect for her opinons on other issues and often said so, but not any
more. She's burned another bridge on the NG.
Gee & I care?? if you are silly enough to keep throwing money at a
failed technology that's OK indeed thanks I enjoy your admissions of
failures.
I've owned FICHTs and I have E-TECs now. The previous FICHTs that I
had on my old Contender are solid as a rock and they are now
approaching 1,400 hours.
Ha ha ha 1400 hours:-) As one who knows what that means in terms of
boating hours on a fast boat like that I guess you get off light because
most here just choose to believe, please note me exception:-)
Again just do you know your Ficht failure was caused by detonation, due
to a design defect where the engine is deliberately run very lean at low
to mid power & with very poor fuel atomisation due to very low injection
pressure.
Great thing about NGs Tom is you can have your say but so can I.
K
I currently have a 200 HP optimax. It is great on fuel but gobbles up
the oil .. also it is LOUD. The main reason I want to get rid of it
Well, you won't regret it. Compared to the Optimax, you won't regret
it.
Boating is relaxing if you glide through the water but not if your
eardrums are hurting 
If you want to ask more complex details, go to
http://www.swsports.org, follow the email instructions and we'll chat
about E-TEC.
Great! I shall look into that
Good luck - hope this helps you a little.
It does, thanks again!
Any time.
Later,
Tom